CP4 Changes - additives discussion

[fuchsroehre]

Yes the Diesel Kleen additive is mixed in on some gas station here to make the Diesel #2 winter ready.
Why do you guys use the additive? Is that just to save your high pressure pumps CP4? Or do you do it to keep the engine "clean"?
Wouldn't the dealer take care of a damaged pump and you'd rather have it fail during warranty than afterwards?
Thanks.

 

[scrmblr2]

So here is my .02$
I had used stanadyne on my ‘99 f350….then I got turned onto arch oil….

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Funniest part about the story, the image on the top of that site is a Cummins. Which is now what I am running the leftover arch oil in. I will let you know in 5-10 years when my warranty is over if it did any good.

Prior to owning diesel….snake oil comes to mind. But research about sulfur in diesel converted tome to do something. I hate getting “smarter”. I

 

[Boltripper]

Appreciate all the knowledge here in this forum and thread. As I wait for my 2024, are they running the CP3 now, or will I still have a CP4?
With a new truck, and wanting to treat the diesel fuel , is the EDT best for a 24MY assuming it does not have the CP4?

Kind regards,

John

 

[flan]

Appreciate all the knowledge here in this forum and thread. As I wait for my 2024, are they running the CP3 now, or will I still have a CP4?
With a new truck, and wanting to treat the diesel fuel , is the EDT best for a 24MY assuming it does not have the CP4?

Kind regards,

John

You will have the CP3. CP4 was only out for 2 model years, then changed to CP3 again and those 2 model years were recalled and replaced. Other than winter anti gel additives fuel treatments are generally discouraged.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Appreciate all the knowledge here in this forum and thread. As I wait for my 2024, are they running the CP3 now, or will I still have a CP4?
With a new truck, and wanting to treat the diesel fuel , is the EDT best for a 24MY assuming it does not have the CP4?

Kind regards,

John

As said no cp4. And the only thing you need is diesel fuel the rest is just good at emptying your wallet.

 

[Boltripper]

Thanks for the responses. Lots of information to learn as this is my first Diesel.

Appreciate the responses.

Best,

John

 

[John Jensen]

Appreciate all the knowledge here in this forum and thread. As I wait for my 2024, are they running the CP3 now, or will I still have a CP4?
With a new truck, and wanting to treat the diesel fuel , is the EDT best for a 24MY assuming it does not have the CP4?

Kind regards,

John

My 2020 now has a CP3 and I will continue to use Hotshots EDT. It not only lubricates, it also cleans injectors and improves the fuel. For me it's inexpensive preventative maintenance. Costs $1.10 to treat my 50gal tank

 

[unclelala]

My 2020 now has a CP3 and I will continue to use Hotshots EDT. It not only lubricates, it also cleans injectors and improves the fuel. For me it's inexpensive preventative maintenance. Costs $1.10 to treat my 50gal tank

Do u put the lower dose or the higher dose ?

 

[John Jensen]

Do u put the lower dose or the higher dose ?

Their recommended (Lower?) dose. Sometimes I double it for ****s and grins, no real reason

 

[unclelala]

Their recommended (Lower?) dose. Sometimes I double it for ****s and grins, no real reason

Sorry should have worded it as "Premium Dose" 1oz per 25 Gal. and "Performance Dose" 2oz per 25 Gal. as per rear of bottle instructions.

 

[John Jensen]

Sorry should have worded it as "Premium Dose" 1oz per 25 Gal. and "Performance Dose" 2oz per 25 Gal. as per rear of bottle instructions.

Premium, regular or low. All = 1oz per 25gal

 

[Brutal_HO]

My 2020 now has a CP3 and I will continue to use Hotshots EDT. It not only lubricates, it also cleans injectors and improves the fuel. For me it's inexpensive preventative maintenance. Costs $1.10 to treat my 50gal tank

And yet another member reports that stopping the use of EDT (and changing fuel stations) has eliminated his excess regen issues.

FWIW, I stopped using anything on a regular basis once my CP4.2 got replaced with the bulletproof (we don't need no stinkin extra lubricity snake oil) CP3.3.

I have zero regen issues (touch wood).

I'll occasionally throw in some XPD only because I don't want to let it go to waste.

 

[unclelala]

And yet another member reports that stopping the use of EDT (and changing fuel stations) has eliminated his excess regen issues.

FWIW, I stopped using anything on a regular basis once my CP4.2 got replaced with the bulletproof (we don't need no stinkin extra lubricity snake oil) CP3.3.

I have zero regen issues (touch wood).

I'll occasionally throw in some XPD only because I don't want to let it go to waste.

I have a 16 oz bottle of HS EDT left and after reading about stopping the use of EDT I did till I read this thread and that started
the wheels turning in my head again....good lord I'm confused all over again...but it don't take much.

 

[steve49]

I've been using Stanadyne Performance Formula (8oz bottle-30gal treatment) in my 14 EcoDiesel and now my 19 Ram CTD, but I've always been skeptical if adding 8oz to 31 gal or 3,968 oz of diesel fuel, had any real effect at all! One of the things we've read on the forums is that the government EPA rules has mandated changes in our fuel formula, and caused us to have a poorer quality diesel fuel here in the US! Meaning less lubricity and whatever else? A friend of mine just retired after 41 years having his own shop working on diesel and gas vehicles, recommended the use of the Stanadyne. He was very popular with the diesel folks, with some traveling 100+ miles to have him work on they're vehicles! He drives an 06 3500 Cummins and has used the additive in every tank, and is going on 400K miles with the original fuel pump, injectors etc.. Another friend with the same model and year also uses the same additive, has over 200k with no issues. Plus there are a few others I know using the additive on they're newer trucks. So in the end am I still skeptical....yeah maybe, but with the EPA's effected changes to our fuel and diesel engines, do I feel a little better about using the additive....yeah I think so! It's a personal choice whether to use an additive or not, and in the end does it help our trucks, maybe.....maybe not!

 

[56ram2500]

My self was never sold on HS EDT could not stand all the hype over it back in 06 when I bought my first Cummins, I use Opti-Lube Summer formula,
the main reason I use it is to help keep injector tips clean, I don't trust the 5% Bio they mix in our fuel..

 

[John Jensen]

My self was never sold on HS EDT could not stand all the hype over it back in 06 when I bought my first Cummins, I use Opti-Lube Summer formula,
the main reason I use it is to help keep injector tips clean, I don't trust the 5% Bio they mix in our fuel..

No doubt, Optu-Lube XPD is an excellent additive. I used to sell their products along with others. If you can believe Opti-Lube and Hotshot's advertising they both do the same things, like Lube, clean and increase cetane. I now use HS for preventative maintenance because of their price point and test results.

 

[Brutal_HO]

I've been using Stanadyne Performance Formula (8oz bottle-30gal treatment) in my 14 EcoDiesel and now my 19 Ram CTD, but I've always been skeptical if adding 8oz to 31 gal or 3,968 oz of diesel fuel, had any real effect at all! One of the things we've read on the forums is that the government EPA rules has mandated changes in our fuel formula, and caused us to have a poorer quality diesel fuel here in the US! Meaning less lubricity and whatever else? A friend of mine just retired after 41 years having his own shop working on diesel and gas vehicles, recommended the use of the Stanadyne. He was very popular with the diesel folks, with some traveling 100+ miles to have him work on they're vehicles! He drives an 06 3500 Cummins and has used the additive in every tank, and is going on 400K miles with the original fuel pump, injectors etc.. Another friend with the same model and year also uses the same additive, has over 200k with no issues. Plus there are a few others I know using the additive on they're newer trucks. So in the end am I still skeptical....yeah maybe, but with the EPA's effected changes to our fuel and diesel engines, do I feel a little better about using the additive....yeah I think so! It's a personal choice whether to use an additive or not, and in the end does it help our trucks, maybe.....maybe not!

ULSD generally has additives blended in to make up the loss of lubricity from higher sulfur content LSD. Unfortunately, Biodiesel is one of them at 2-20% and is a double edge sword. Higher bio means better lubricity but at the expense of the emissions systems.

Ultra-low Sulfur Diesel Fuel Affects Lubrication

Most diesel fuel sold at retail locations in the U.S. is ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel that has different lubricating qualities than diesel previously available.

www.ag.ndsu.edu

If one feels better or sees proof positive better results using additives, that's great, but if you're experiencing regen issues, I'd run without and evaluate.

 

[56ram2500]

At one time I never used any fuel additives, that is until I had one of my cousins who made tanker delivery's to gas stations in the mid west tell me about some of the things we the public seldom know about, like the amount of regular gas the gets mixed into diesel fuel both at the tank farm when coming down the pipeline and by mistakes, like a driver leaving a 100 or so gallons of E-10 gas in the compartment and then load 1000 gallons of diesel on top of it and delivering it to a station, after learning about that I decide to start using additives back in late 2006 even if it was a small amount...

 

[Trash Panda]

Mix EDT and LX4 at their recommended dosage in every tank on my 2022, and have yet to experience any of the usual dreaded 2022 MY problems with regens or lifter ticking.

Am I setting myself up for a kick in the balls here soon? Who knows, but I doubt that a little more fuel lubricity is hurting anything.