Worst Nightmare Already

[DevilDodge]

Because with your 5th wheel and a 2500 you are around 2000lbs +/- over the payload limit. Payload on your truck has to be around 1800lbs? What's the door sticker say? A 42' 5th wheel, loaded pin weight plus people and gear in the truck i'm guessing is around 3800lbs total payload. Could be less, could be more. Way over the limit.
That could very well be too much for a 3500 SRW longhorn megacab.

You don't want a dually but you have a 5th wheel that requires one. The solution is either the right truck or the right trailer. Check the real world numbers. My opinion is a 5th wheel over 35' is an automatic dually, if not just for the payload then the ability to handle something that long. Any 5th wheel shorter a SRW 3500.
There are even massive travel trailers you'd want a dually to tow even though you don't need that much payload. It's to handle it well.
Most trailer tires are only rated for 65mph. Something to be aware of.
Be smart, be safe.

Anxiously awaiting his CAT scale numbers. I gave the capacities above. They are for the base truck numbers. So his is already over them empty

 

[archer75]

Also, weigh it fully loaded for camping with everyone who goes with you in the truck. So you get real world numbers. Travel with a full water tank? Fill it up before weighing.
Though, as devildodge said, you're over the limit even empty.

 

[The HOFF]

Because with your 5th wheel and a 2500 you are around 2000lbs +/- over the payload limit. Payload on your truck has to be around 1800lbs? What's the door sticker say? A 42' 5th wheel, loaded pin weight plus people and gear in the truck i'm guessing is around 3800lbs total payload. Could be less, could be more. Way over the limit.
That could very well be too much for even a 3500 SRW longhorn megacab.

You don't want a dually but you have a 5th wheel that requires one. The solution is either the right truck or the right trailer. Check the real world numbers. My opinion is a 5th wheel over 35' is an automatic dually, if not just for the payload then the ability to handle something that long. Any 5th wheel shorter a SRW 3500.
There are even massive travel trailers you'd want a dually to tow even though you don't need that much payload. It's to handle it well.
Most trailer tires are only rated for 65mph. Something to be aware of.

I'm glad no one was hurt but it could have been really bad. Be smart, be safe.

Well today I learned my last truck without air ride suspension was also a 3.42 instead of a 3.73 giving me 4180 payload which was enough. Now this 3.73 it’s up to 1980 lbs and I’m at 2280.
So my options I was told is go with a 2500 or 3500 with a 3.42 SWB or a dually and I will break even with both. No increase in costs. Really don’t want a dually again but might have to. Or

 

[DevilDodge]

There is no 3.42 on the new 2019s.
You saying about going with a 2018 SRW 2500/3500 or a 2019 Dually?

And the 4180, is that your old dually?

I figured you were at about 1900 lbs payload. But, I bet you are over the 2280lbs loaded for your trip.

So, if you go dually, might as well get 4.10.

I honestly can not believe you felt comfortable towing that with your last truck either...really tells how overbuilt these trucks are.

Good luck. Really hope you go with the Dually, or at least the 3500 SRW.

 

[The HOFF]

 

[DevilDodge]

Build and price is notoriously wrong.

All the literature explains why they did away with the 3.42.



One of the first things you will notice looking at the towing chart is that the 3.42 axle ratio that was previously standard on Cummins Diesel powered Ram Heavy Duties is now gone with 3.73 being the new standard gear set. Still optional is the 4.10 axle ratio for maximum towing capability.

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[DevilDodge]

So if you can get 3.42 I would be completely blown away.

And if you read any towing chart...rear gear has not one damn thing to do with payload. It only increases GCWR, and then the 3.73 would have more than the 3.42 if it existed. The reason they dropped the 3.42 and went with the 3.73.

 

[DevilDodge]

To increase payload...1500 to 2500 to 3500 to dually to 4500 etc.

Supposedly you can take anyone of them and go have them rated higher, but personally I have never seen or heard of how to do that.

 

[DevilDodge]

Just making sure I have the right info.

 

[DevilDodge]

 

[DevilDodge]

We discussed this before, since you showed the 3.42 it got me curious.

But I stand by what we told everyone then.

6.4l 2500 and 3500 and dually. 3.73 or 4.10
Powerwagon only 4.10
Cummins 2500 only 3.73
Cummins 3500 single rear wheel only 3.73
Cummins 3500 dually 3.73 or 4.10

 

[DevilDodge]

To increase payload...1500 to 2500 to 3500 to dually to 4500 etc.

Supposedly you can take anyone of them and go have them rated higher, but personally I have never seen or heard of how to do that.

And I forgot. One other way to increase payload...go from diesel to gas.

 

[Don-T]

We discussed this before, since you showed the 3.42 it got me curious.

But I stand by what we told everyone then.

6.4l 2500 and 3500 and dually. 3.73 or 4.10
Powerwagon only 4.10
Cummins 2500 only 3.73
Cummins 3500 single rear wheel only 3.73
Cummins 3500 dually 3.73 or 4.10

This is correct, there is no longer a 3.42 ratio in Ram trucks. Payload is nothing more than the GVW rating of the truck minus the actual weight of the truck, simple math There is a sticker on the door jamb of every new truck that shows the payload among other things. Look at any of them on the lots. The Ram websites are not accurate as far as payload ratings. The only way to know for sure is to go weigh the truck at your certified scale of choice. Keep in mind the more options the truck has the lower the payload, because it is heavier. Anything you add reduces the payload, people, pets, camping gear, fire wood, tools, etc.

My ‘19 3500 Longhorn SRW has a payload of 3797, the Ram website where you can put in the VIN to get the payload says mine is 4110. The tow rating for my truck is about 24,000 pounds.

 

[archer75]

Well today I learned my last truck without air ride suspension was also a 3.42 instead of a 3.73 giving me 4180 payload which was enough. Now this 3.73 it’s up to 1980 lbs and I’m at 2280.
So my options I was told is go with a 2500 or 3500 with a 3.42 SWB or a dually and I will break even with both. No increase in costs. Really don’t want a dually again but might have to. View attachment 681Or

Could you post a pic of your door sticker showing the actual payload? Payload listed on rams site isn't accurate.

2280lbs empty pin weight on the 5th wheel? You have to figure that fully loaded for camping so that's going up quite a bit. Plus all the people and all the gear added to the truck also come off payload. So your weight, wife, kids, dogs, etc. Anything in the bed. All of it has to be counted against payload. All of that should easily go above 3000lbs. These things add up fast and quite a bit.

And it's not just about the payload but also the trucks ability to handle something so long especially in cross winds. The dually can help here.

 

[MrMopar]

So I was towing my 5th wheel 13360 lbs with my 2500 today and had over 1400 miles on it so felt it wasn’t ready. Now I was driving on a highway that I never drove on before and was following another RV about 63-67 mph. Well we hit a dip which made the truck and trailer bounce. During the bouncy I heard a loud pop. First I thought it was the cooler in bed bounce but then the ride got real rough. Lost complete rear air suspension and about 30 seconds later “Warning, service Air Suspension immediately.”
Dealership I went to after limping 40 miles at 50 they said I blew an air bag or air hose and wouldn’t know until tomorrow. He said you might have to file this on insurance as an accident claim because it wouldn’t be covered under warranty!! Thoughts or anyone else have issues with air ride suspension? Already wanting to add heavy duty shocks or something too.

Seams to me...my .02
If you haven't exceeded the load requirements then it's a WARRANTY issue. FAILED to perform it's design load.
I'm really disappointed in these 2019 2500's.

 

[The HOFF]

This is correct, there is no longer a 3.42 ratio in Ram trucks. Payload is nothing more than the GVW rating of the truck minus the actual weight of the truck, simple math There is a sticker on the door jamb of every new truck that shows the payload among other things. Look at any of them on the lots. The Ram websites are not accurate as far as payload ratings. The only way to know for sure is to go weigh the truck at your certified scale of choice. Keep in mind the more options the truck has the lower the payload, because it is heavier. Anything you add reduces the payload, people, pets, camping gear, fire wood, tools, etc.

My ‘19 3500 Longhorn SRW has a payload of 3797, the Ram website where you can put in the VIN to get the payload says mine is 4110. The tow rating for my truck is about 24,000 pounds.

How does yours ride when NOT towing? Is it stiff and bouncy? We’re the occasional travelers with RV and want comfort but capability to tow. Your numbers would be way than enough. Send me your window sticker want to see how yours is built. If you can.

 

[The HOFF]

Seams to me...my .02
If you haven't exceeded the load requirements then it's a WARRANTY issue. FAILED to perform it's design load.
I'm really disappointed in these 2019 2500's.

My payload shows to be 2290 so I was over. Rep thought they ordered same as my 2016 which was 3.42 at 4100 lbs.

 

[archer75]

My payload shows to be 2290 so I was over. Rep thought they ordered same as my 2016 which was 3.42 at 4100 lbs.

You had a 2016 2500 mega cab diesel right? (nevermind, found the pic) There's no way the payload was 4100 on that. Mine is 2100lbs and it's not a mega cab. Yours is closer to 1800lbs.

 

[DevilDodge]

The dry pin weight on those campers is minimum 2100lbs. No way you were under payload. And 2290 payload seems high, post a pic of payload sticker.

 

[DevilDodge]

His was a 2016 2500 mega cab. Maximum payload was 1990...as equipped would be less


2019 2500 mega cab payload 2130...as equipped his would be less


100% surprised they are covering it.

You sir got a good dealership.