3500 CCSB vs CCLB have different GVWR.I'm actually surprised the 8ft bed didn't loose a little payload due to the added weight to the vehicle from the longer box, frame rails, etc.
CCSB=11,800
CCLB=12,300
3500 CCSB vs CCLB have different GVWR.I'm actually surprised the 8ft bed didn't loose a little payload due to the added weight to the vehicle from the longer box, frame rails, etc.
That's strictly an artificial limit for the 2500 trucks.I would have lost 880lbs payload by going with the Cummins over the Hemi I ordered, the diesel is a lot heavier than most people think.
Just curious, my 2500 gas has a 5500lb front axle and a 6390lb rear axle, do the diesel 2500’s have higher axle weight ratings that you know of? I thought the heavy duty snow plow prep or diesel got you a 6000lb front axle, but I’m not sure.That's strictly an artificial limit for the 2500 trucks.
FWIW, the 3500 GVWR is higher on the diesel. The same truck, a 3500 4x4 CCLB Tradesman is a difference of 120lbs of payload between gas and HO. The SO is 50lbs more than the gasser.
Hi, curious, what did you mean or how would you go about going to DOT inspection and having the payload increased? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks!Just to clarify, I was talking about DOT/ Registration versus what the truck is built to do (or can do potentially). You can actually take a 2500 to a DOT inspection and get the payload increased, you just fall into a higher registration class, so its definitely not about safety if you are staying within the RAWR and FAWR. its about the compliance with the class. But manufactures do not build these trucks trying to build only to that number (10k), that would actually be costly to do because the fames, axles, suspension, brakes, tires and wheels would have to be different from their counter part (3500 SRW), which they are not (With the exception of the suspension of a Ram 2500 with the coil springs versus leaf springs, but that rating is shown on the RAWR and FAWR).
The example I used was F250 to F350 (as an easier example), as they are actually the same axle (Depending on package, Sterling versus Dana), brakes, tires, wheels and sometimes (Depending if you get the camper package) springs. But their payload is set to 10k versus 12300 (350), I believe the camper package adds a leaf spring to the 250 in which makes it exactly the same exact truck as a F350 (GVWR becomes the same). Not to confuse it further, but if you go the manufactures website of the axles for Sterling and Dana. Their rating is actually close to 10k per axle (20k), way beyond what the RAWR and FAWR (6k and 6040). in which proves that rating is not Based on the axle itself but ALL of the components. The Sterling and Dana are very close in weight rating from each other, I think maybe a 500-1000 pound difference.
To answers your question about 3500 to 4500. I believe Ford uses the same frame across all those platforms (Not sure about Ram), the difference is in the bed configuration, axles. I think possibly the 450 has bigger brakes than its counterparts but I could be wrong about that. But I wouldn't let people believe that 10k number on a 2500 is the safe limit, its not. The safe limit is their RAWR and FAWR, that combined on a 2019 Big Horn Megacab 4X4 (For example) is 12040. That weight rating takes into account the brakes, axles, suspension, tires and wheels. This has been a big subject of debate and many have clarified this about what the 10k rating is actually meant for.
Yup!Also, added these mods which the weight has added up quick, definitely surprised me a bit when I got the actual axle weights from the CAT scale:
I can’t tell you how many times I purposely rolled through the scales with 1/4 tanks due to being “overweight”.I thought payload is supposed to include all fluids and a full tank of gas?
I guess you can’t trust a gravel pit scale. I was filling up at a Loves truckstop cause gasbuddy said they had premium for $3.23 (they lied it was $3.53) after filling up i decided to go over the Cat scales for $12.50. I just installed a gofastcamper which is suppose to weigh ~300-350lbs. Truck completely empty as far as an gear and like when i weighed at the gravel pit I was not in the truck. So figured it should around 7300lbs but dang 7760lbs.so for sheetz and giggles I weighed my 2020 Power Wagon today. full tank of gas and I am running 35" Toyo RT's on AEV salta wheels and have a full size spare ie Toyo 35". I added mopar oval side steps not sure how much the weigh but they were pretty light. Actual weight of my truck 6950lbs. so my actual pay load is higher than what the door sticker says it is, as it sits my payload is 1615lbs.
Yeah gravel pit scales are used to measure a difference. You can go in it and it could say 5000lbs. You go back on and it says 6000lbs. They know you got a half ton. They do not care what you weigh.I guess you can’t trust a gravel pit scale. I was filling up at a Loves truckstop cause gasbuddy said they had premium for $3.23 (they lied it was $3.53) after filling up i decided to go over the Cat scales for $12.50. I just installed a gofastcamper which is suppose to weigh ~300-350lbs. Truck completely empty as far as an gear and like when i weighed at the gravel pit I was not in the truck. So should around 7300lbs but dang 7760lbs.
You have good taste in trucks. LOL2021 Ram 3500 Larami dual rear wheels, CC/LB/Cummins S.O. 4x4.
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