2021 Stop Sale on certain diesels incoming (intake air heater relay). - Recall Y76 REFRESHED OCT 2021

[Will_T]

Hello,
"if we use the Mopar site to check and no recalls are found then our truck is definitely clear from the recall?" The answer to this is yes.

"trucks that are impacted by the relay problem, but still in Rams possession, are not recalled, but are "stopped sale." Incorrect, stop sale VINs are still under the recall. It is illegal to sell a vehicle with an open recall, hence the stop sale.

"In other words, Ram can not recall the trucks from Ram, only from dealers and customers that have already taken possession." Also incorrect, there are sold vehicles and unsold vehicles in recalls.

Kaitlin
Ram Cares

Perfect. Thanks!

 

[boatdude1]

Hello,
"if we use the Mopar site to check and no recalls are found then our truck is definitely clear from the recall?" The answer to this is yes.

"trucks that are impacted by the relay problem, but still in Rams possession, are not recalled, but are "stopped sale." Incorrect, stop sale VINs are still under the recall. It is illegal to sell a vehicle with an open recall, hence the stop sale.

"In other words, Ram can not recall the trucks from Ram, only from dealers and customers that have already taken possession." Also incorrect, there are sold vehicles and unsold vehicles in recalls.

Kaitlin
Ram Cares

Thank you for clearing that up.

 

[QCHunter]

Ya but does it even work? My 13k mile truck still shows 15 miles is the other stuff updating?

I assume it will update the mileage after taking it to the dealer for an oil change. I’m only at 1700 miles right now so it’s still all new to me.

 

[QCHunter]

Do you

Are you talking about phone app or an app for U Connect truck displays?

This is the phone app. It is labeled as My Ram.

 

[Doccs]

Mopar parts still listing

 

[Brewbud]

Hopefully, this recall will not expand to include more trucks as they so often do. Supplier: Uh FCA, bad news, remember the bad component we used in the relay? You know, the one that goes inferno. Uh, well we used it in more relays than we thought.

It was 2020 after all.

 

[Billet2021]

I ordered my truck in middle Jan. Came in yesterday and took delivery today

2021 2500 Crew Cab Limited Longhorn 6.7 Cummins.

Dealer ran the vin and came back as not part of the recall.

 

[Cseybert]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ram-truck-recall-fiat-chryslerRam recalls trucks over fire hazard, suggests owners park outside

 

[JFV1134]

My question is why not just disconnect the battery lead from the solenoid until parts are available? That would effectively disable the grid heater, but it would also remove any risk of a sticky solenoid and potential fire. In Montana we are above freezing at nights. Would this be an issue for emissions during a cold start? FCA has a track record of “band-aid’ing” recalls anyway (think upper tie rod tack welds).

 

[StormTrooper3500]

My question is why not just disconnect the battery lead from the solenoid until parts are available? That would effectively disable the grid heater, but it would also remove any risk of a sticky solenoid and potential fire. In Montana we are above freezing at nights. Would this be an issue for emissions during a cold start? FCA has a track record of “band-aid’ing” recalls anyway (think upper tie rod tack welds).

This was my question too. What, if any, drawbacks are there to disabling this thing completely for now?

 

[Brutal_HO]

Disconnecting it will throw a PCM error that will likely prevent a start.

This is covered in any thread regarding the killer grid heater bolt.

 

[renagade69]

Is there a fuse number to pull to disconnect it if I am not driving it? So busy working the building boom in Florida I have no time to drive the truck. If not I will disconnect the battery posts.

 

[MtnRider]

My question is why not just disconnect the battery lead from the solenoid until parts are available? That would effectively disable the grid heater, but it would also remove any risk of a sticky solenoid and potential fire. In Montana we are above freezing at nights. Would this be an issue for emissions during a cold start? FCA has a track record of “band-aid’ing” recalls anyway (think upper tie rod tack welds).

I've had mine on my 16 disconnected for months. Not a single code, remote starts every day, and no issues starting due to the cold. But I can't see Ram actually doing it as a temp fix due to possible emission violations.


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[JFV1134]

Is there a fuse number to pull to disconnect it if I am not driving it? So busy working the building boom in Florida I have no time to drive the truck. If not I will disconnect the battery posts.

No fuse unfortunately. That’s why there is a fire risk. The relay is directly connect to the battery. The grid heater pulls a ton of amps so the relay is actually a solid state solenoid. I’m betting whoever built the solenoid cut corners in manufacturing. The only way to disconnect it is to remove the lead going to the battery from the solenoid. This will disable your grid heater and make for harder cold starts.

 

[renagade69]

It looks like they started using a protective tape that fixes the fires.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V163-8370.PDF

The suspect period began August 5, 2020, when production of Ram 3500 vehicles equipped with the Relay began, and ended on January 8, 2021 when FCA US LLC ("FCA US") introduced protective tape into production. The suspect period was determined using field data and engineering change records.

 

[MtnRider]

It looks like they started using a protective tape that fixes the fires.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V163-8370.PDF

The suspect period began August 5, 2020, when production of Ram 3500 vehicles equipped with the Relay began, and ended on January 8, 2021 when FCA US LLC ("FCA US") introduced protective tape into production. The suspect period was determined using field data and engineering change records.

Tricky wording. Almost sounds like the tape could be the Cause of the fires, not the fix? Depends on how you read it. Was the tape introduced during that period or after?

Can't imagine that tape preventing a fire, but if not a high temp fire resistant tape I could sure see it over heating if the relay stuck and starting a fire.


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[Bigwalnuthoney]

Tricky wording. Almost sounds like the tape could be the Cause of the fires, not the fix? Depends on how you read it. Was the tape introduced during that period or after?

Can't imagine that tape preventing a fire, but if not a high temp fire resistant tape I could sure see it over heating if the relay stuck and starting a fire.


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"Description of the Defect : An electrical short in the Relay can potentially lead to a vehicle fire with the ignition on or off.". Sounds like the protective tape prevents the electrical short to me.

 

[MtnRider]

"Description of the Defect : An electrical short in the Relay can potentially lead to a vehicle fire with the ignition on or off.". Sounds like the protective tape prevents the electrical short to me.

I don't see how tape on the outside of a sealed relay can prevent a short.....

Description of the Defect : An electrical short in the Relay can potentially lead to a vehicle fire with the
ignition on or off.

 

[Doccs]

It looks like they started using a protective tape that fixes the fires.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V163-8370.PDF

The suspect period began August 5, 2020, when production of Ram 3500 vehicles equipped with the Relay began, and ended on January 8, 2021 when FCA US LLC ("FCA US") introduced protective tape into production. The suspect period was determined using field data and engineering change records.

 

[Vocoder]

Since it seems like a solution has been identified, when can we hope that the stop sale order is lifted?