Cummins caught emissions cheating - fined 1.67 billion mega thread.

[renagade69]

I don’t think the goals will ever be met until they kill the diesel vehicles completely. I think they are just trying to get the 13-18’s up to the new standards for emissions since it changes every few minutes here lately. And it’s only going to get worse. Can’t discuss all of the BS going on without bringing up politics.

This whole topic is political so I agree. I don't think anyone knows how this will effect us with the "fix" but it will cost us more. The fine alone ensures prices going up more on engines.

 

[w8kfm]

Ya I think this debacle can be explained in three little letters …TAX… In Canada we pay carbon tax on top of carbon tax. The governments are squeezing the juice out of the consumer and are scheming new ways to screw corporations. Which in turn comes back on the consumer. Until the pitch forks come out the Monster will run the village.

Well worded sir!

 

[CdnHO]

As long as the "fix" doesn't negatively effect the performance of my truck I don't have a problem. However, I have a bad feeling. And I paid dearly for that performance. We will see. So far I don't think that Candian trucks are affected but it is just a matter of time. Monkey see, monkey do.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I doubt the recall notice will mention the violation, but stranger things have happened.

It does, i have seen shots of the actual notice but here is a copy off google missing the vin. It wont reference the lawsuit but still

 

[Adam06]

Any news on the 2020-2023’s ? Truck is in the shop for snap ring recall and missing dpf sensor. Truck already drinks def fluid , I get 450ish miles on a gallon. Wonder if these newer trucks already have been updated. It’s a 2022 ho

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Any news on the 2020-2023’s ? Truck is in the shop for snap ring recall and missing dpf sensor. Truck already drinks def fluid , I get 450ish miles on a gallon. Wonder if these newer trucks already have been updated. It’s a 2022 ho

2020+ are fine. The 19s got the VB6 the ONLY trucks that will be affected are 2013-2018

 

[Adam06]

2020+ are fine. The 19s got the VB6 the ONLY trucks that will be affected are 2013-2018

But the fines opposed to Cummins also stated 20-23’s we’re using axu defeat devices

 

[AH64ID]

It does, i have seen shots of the actual notice but here is a copy off google missing the vin. It wont reference the lawsuit but still View attachment 67695

It also doesn’t say what the violation was, just a generic emissions comment.

 

[gimmie11s]

It would appear that Cummins simply views CARB and the EPA as hands they must grease in order to continue doing business.

The other thing that is crazy to me, is the fact that both the EPA and CARB have continued to drag out all these charts and numbers about how their policies have reduced emissions by extreme levels, yet all these companies are allegedly cheating? If every diesel model is cheating, and the emissions have still exceeded goals, then why do we care at this point? It's gotta be just about power and control at this point, because the laws put in place to meet a goal seem to have been met.

Common sense left policy influence decades ago.

But I agree completely.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

It also doesn’t say what the violation was, just a generic emissions comment.

No that will never happen why would they lol, unless they release the case files we will never know

 

[CFE]

It wouldn’t surprise me if the fix looks a lot like the VW and Mercedes fixes: software changes leading to a reduction in power.

VW also offered a buyback. i had a Golf TDI that I paid 29k new for and after all was said and done - they bought my TDi back for around 26k after I had it for 3 years. Great little car but it would have been stupid of me not to take the money and run or accept the "fix".

 

[DammitDave]

From what I've heard about this recall is they are adding ecryption codes into ECMs to stop performance and emission delete programs from overwritting original programming.

 

[AH64ID]

From what I've heard about this recall is they are adding ecryption codes into ECMs to stop performance and emission delete programs from overwritting original programming.

There are already documented cases that debunk that theory, it’s just internet folklore.

 

[wyvern]

Does anyone have any concrete information as to whether this affects 2013-2023 model trucks? TFL made it seem like it was pretty much every Cummins-powered pickup sold from 2013 to present, however I'm seeing conflicting information. I still haven't actually purchased a 3500 and still really want to, but this entire debacle is once again giving me pause. Thinking of sticking it out with my 3.0 lz0 1500 a bit longer.

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[gimmie11s]

Does anyone have any concrete information as to whether this affects 2013-2023 model trucks? TFL made it seem like it was pretty much every Cummins-powered pickup sold from 2013 to present, however I'm seeing conflicting information. I still haven't actually purchased a 3500 and still really want to, but this entire debacle is once again giving me pause. Thinking of sticking it out with my 3.0 lz0 1500 a bit longer.

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I SERIOUSLY doubt any new 2024 on the lot will be affected by this.

Cummins has known about the issue for at least 4 years from what we can tell.

 

[Adam06]

Is this the same recall people were getting for the missing pm sensor? I don’t ever recall seeing that the pcm had to be reprogrammed and a modification sticker installed and a letter to save for carb compliant states . I remember receiving a letter for the recall in September but this one on the ram app appears different. I just don’t remember.

 

[Adam06]

he is the recall

 

[Adam06]

Recived this on dec 5

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Recived this on dec 5

No thats completely different…. There is no recall for 2020-2023 the 2019s were already done. The ONLY trucks receiving a recall is the 2013-2018 trucks

 

[AH64ID]

Is this the same recall people were getting for the missing pm sensor? I don’t ever recall seeing that the pcm had to be reprogrammed and a modification sticker installed and a letter to save for carb compliant states . I remember receiving a letter for the recall in September but this one on the ram app appears different. I just don’t remember.

No, that recall is not related. Some late build 21’s and most, if not all, 22’s are missing a sensor that was first used in 2019. The 13-18’s didn’t have it, and I have seen nothing about adding it.

I had the recall done in September and the PCM was reprogrammed (has to be in order to utilize the sensor) and a mod sticker was placed on my hood.

7K miles on the new sensor, zero changes to how the truck operates.