Cummins caught emissions cheating - fined 1.67 billion mega thread.

[aaron_huber]

2016-2018 trucks are not recalled

I think you got that backwards. According to the table at the link you provided:

 

[aaron_huber]

It would seem the Justice Department would disagree with you, despite your dismissiveness.

Nope, he had it right. According to the FAQ at https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/fre...olation-clean-air-act-vehicle-emission-system, regarding the 20-23 models:

"Cummins failed to disclose to EPA and CARB other software in these vehicles and in an additional 330,000 vehicles from model years 2019-2023; although this failure to disclose also violated the Clean Air Act, this software calibration did not include defeat device features and therefore did not create excess emissions."

No recall required since there are no excess emissions. They just got fined for "failing to disclose".

 

[TXsportDiver]

I think you got that backwards. According to the table at the link you provided:

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You're correct. I had it flipped. I have now edited my previous post to reflect:
ALL 2016-2018 trucks are recalled

 

[jetrinka]

*Diesel guys worried they'll have HEMI power levels after the recall*

*Hemi guys basking in the warmth of the ensuing panic*

 

[OLEJOE]

So basically the EPA wants 13-18 trucks brought up to 2024 emissions standards.

 

[elephantrider]

...so my July built 2019 will be recalled even though I've already done the vb6 ? interesting.

 

[flan]

...so my July built 2019 will be recalled even though I've already done the vb6 ? interesting.

Nothing on the ram recall page for my early build ‘19. Seems like most of the pre 19 owners have received their notice.

 

[elephantrider]

Nothing on the ram recall page for my early build ‘19. Seems like most of the pre 19 owners have received their notice.

agree as I haven't rcvd any notice yet and nothing is listed under my vin.

irrelevant to my truck but thought it was interesting.

 

[Lee Iacocca]

Things that make you go, hmmm.

 

[AH64ID]

...so my July built 2019 will be recalled even though I've already done the vb6 ? interesting.

It seems like the VB6 is the recall to deal with this issue, so you’ve already been “updated”.

 

[Ostracize]

Interesting update for 13-19 recalled trucks... Looks like those units will get a extended warranty on the emissions components.
From the DOJs site:

United States and California Announce Diesel Engine Manufacturer Cummins Inc. Agrees to Pay a Record $1.675 Billion Civil Penalty in Vehicle Test Cheating Settlement

The Justice Department, Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), California Air Resources Board (CARB) and California Attorney General’s Office released the details of a proposed settlement with diesel engine maker Cummins Inc. for alleged violations of the Clean Air Act and California law. Beyond...

www.justice.gov

Recall and Repair Program

Cummins sought all EPA and CARB emission certifications for the RAM trucks equipped with its engines, even though the trucks were sold by the RAM truck division of Fiat Chrysler and its dealers. The settlement requires Cummins to work with Fiat Chrysler and its dealers on a vehicle recall and repair program that will remove all defeat devices from the affected 2013-2019 RAM trucks free of charge and bring the vehicles into compliance with applicable emissions standards under the Clean Air Act. The repair only involves software updates. Cummins has already started the recall and repair program required by the settlement.

Cummins must repair at least 85% of the 2013-2019 RAM trucks equipped with defeat devices within three years. The company must offer a special extended warranty covering emission control system parts on 2013-2019 RAM trucks that receive the replacement software. Cummins also must test some of the repaired trucks over a number of years to ensure that the trucks continue to meet emissions standards over time.

 

[WRCLVR]

Interesting update for 13-19 recalled trucks... Looks like those units will get a extended warranty on the emissions components.
From the DOJs site:

United States and California Announce Diesel Engine Manufacturer Cummins Inc. Agrees to Pay a Record $1.675 Billion Civil Penalty in Vehicle Test Cheating Settlement

The Justice Department, Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), California Air Resources Board (CARB) and California Attorney General’s Office released the details of a proposed settlement with diesel engine maker Cummins Inc. for alleged violations of the Clean Air Act and California law. Beyond...

www.justice.gov

Recall and Repair Program

Cummins sought all EPA and CARB emission certifications for the RAM trucks equipped with its engines, even though the trucks were sold by the RAM truck division of Fiat Chrysler and its dealers. The settlement requires Cummins to work with Fiat Chrysler and its dealers on a vehicle recall and repair program that will remove all defeat devices from the affected 2013-2019 RAM trucks free of charge and bring the vehicles into compliance with applicable emissions standards under the Clean Air Act. The repair only involves software updates. Cummins has already started the recall and repair program required by the settlement.

Cummins must repair at least 85% of the 2013-2019 RAM trucks equipped with defeat devices within three years. The company must offer a special extended warranty covering emission control system parts on 2013-2019 RAM trucks that receive the replacement software. Cummins also must test some of the repaired trucks over a number of years to ensure that the trucks continue to meet emissions standards over time.

So after reading this, it appears that Cummins will provide an extended warranty on the emissions control system post repair. So how will that work? Have to work with Cummins who will tell you to go pound sand and work with FCA...LOL...We cant even get FCA to provide the updated recall 67A here where I live. Also OT but if it does in fact "recalibrate" the amount of DEF injected what are the chances that the dealer turns around and says "oh you need a new DEF valve or whatever and that is not covered" My DEF usage is very low and has been from 2017 when we bought the truck brand new.

 

[Ostracize]

So after reading this, it appears that Cummins will provide an extended warranty on the emissions control system post repair. So how will that work? Have to work with Cummins who will tell you to go pound sand and work with FCA...LOL...We cant even get FCA to provide the updated recall 67A here where I live. Also OT but if it does in fact "recalibrate" the amount of DEF injected what are the chances that the dealer turns around and says "oh you need a new DEF valve or whatever and that is not covered" My DEF usage is very low and has been from 2017 when we bought the truck brand new.

My interpretation is that they "cummins" will underwrite the extended warranty through funding and FCA / Stellantis will be the servicing entity. So no difference than if there was an issue requiring an engine change...
The funding behind the scenes might be different but the effect on us end users should be unaffected.
Edit: additionally, this was a settlement agreement between cummins and doj, so cummins has agreed to the terms.

 

[ETX Ram]

Just checked the VIN of my 22 model yet again. Nothing showing up in the way of the Cummins recal. Thinking I"m out of the woods on this one from what I've read on the last couple pages of this mega thread. I do FINALLY have an appointment Friday for confirmed part availability of the grid heater relay and the DPF sensor. Hoping the truck goes through less DEF after the sensor install, but not holding my breath.

 

[Ostracize]

Just checked the VIN of my 22 model yet again. Nothing showing up in the way of the Cummins recal. Thinking I"m out of the woods on this one from what I've read on the last couple pages of this mega thread. I do FINALLY have an appointment Friday for confirmed part availability of the grid heater relay and the DPF sensor. Hoping the truck goes through less DEF after the sensor install, but not holding my breath.

Unless I've missed something.. 20s-current already have the "corrected" software and shouldn't need the flash that applies to the 13-19 trucks

 

[AH64ID]

Just checked the VIN of my 22 model yet again. Nothing showing up in the way of the Cummins recal. Thinking I"m out of the woods on this one from what I've read on the last couple pages of this mega thread. I do FINALLY have an appointment Friday for confirmed part availability of the grid heater relay and the DPF sensor. Hoping the truck goes through less DEF after the sensor install, but not holding my breath.

Did you look at post #281??

The DPF sensor has nothing to do with DEF.

 

[ETX Ram]

I obviously miss that post, but will check it out. Mighty long thread. Thanks

 

[jsalbre]

So basically the EPA wants 13-18 trucks brought up to 2024 emissions standards.

No, they want the to meet the emissions standards that were in place when those trucks were built. They’re not making them install anything that wasn’t already supposed to be there.

 

[OLEJOE]

No, they want the to meet the emissions standards that were in place when those trucks were built. They’re not making them install anything that wasn’t already supposed to be there.

Just recalibrating everything to the new standard.

 

[jsalbre]

Just recalibrating everything to the new standard.

You have some documentation backing this up or are we just going “Weekly World News” on this?