Price negotiated from MSRP

[Brutal_HO]

Ok,ok,ok brutal an all. I get it, i know I'm bragging on my deal, but guys I'm super proud of it as i think i should be, i by know means am a better negotiator than anybody else out there, I'm just very fortunate to have allot of time on my hands. Now to get what you guys are talking about on the rebates any incentives an expiration dates. What my salesman told me was the build form that we both signed that had or agreed price on it, he said that everything is into that deal, so it can't possibly get worse for me if something expires. If more deals or better deals come out, they will apply those but if it dont expire before truck is built an we finalize the thing than the dealership has to eat that loss because they are committing to the price you signed on at least not Getting worse for you, can only stay the same or get better for you an for them either stay the same, or lose, or get better.

Dude, I'm just jerkin yer lanyard. I meant no malice by it.

Though I still have to believe your trade is part of that discount as it's worth more to the dealer than they're giving you for sure...

If you have price protection on your deal, and any written offer is just that, you can't do any worse. Just because you placed an order and put money down, doesn't obligate you to ink the deal, so you have some negotiating power if discounts, rebates, and incentives improve. Just know that if you worked a trade deal, that can change too if you try to re-swizzle the deal.

I'm selling my 04.5 outright because no dealer, regardless of the low low miles of 72K, is going to give me anything reasonable for a 16 year old truck. I can get twice what they offer. Call me crazy for getting out of a 16 year old pre-emissions 5.9L, and not a day goes by that I don't second guess myself, but it's what I'm doing.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Here’s my offer with the 3/20 expiration. Sounds like I can just renew it after?????

what’s conquest cash?

I guess that's where I may have seen my expiration date, but it doesn't show on the printout.

Conquest cash, if you read the fine print, is a rebate for a competitive brand truck. Doesn't have to be a part of the deal, just have to prove ownership.

No such joy for us diehard Dodge fans. This will only be my 3rd Dodge since 1998 so I guess we're all chopped liver.

 

[Rich]

Yah I'm the same way, only rams hear. I know you were just joking, that's why i hitch yah back , that's just what guys do, no prob here. I love that you put in there ( que the note for rich to chime in on his 16% now) hahaha. I honestly believe they won't make nothing on my trade because it's in perfect condition with low miles of 40 k miles . In all the kbb, nada,car gurus, etc it showed max trade in perfect condition on trade to be 34,500 an retail for what they can sell it for being 37k . I got them to 35,500 so that only leaves 1500 in there pockets an that don't take into acct they will have to put brakes an tires on it, so that ain't gonna leave em much. I did agree i would not put more than 3000 miles on it in the time it takes for the new build to get here, wich won't be a problem. The other great thing was they didn't charge me ANY down payment or any thing at all. Even my salesman was shocked by that one. I guess because I stuck with em for 6 months making the deal then drove 900 miles to meet them an sign, I guess they figured in good faith that I wasnt Goin any where. Oh buy the way, hey Brutal did you know, i got
16%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%off MSRPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP hahaha lol, had to do it

 

[Bozo]

I guess that's where I may have seen my expiration date, but it doesn't show on the printout.

Conquest cash, if you read the fine print, is a rebate for a competitive brand truck. Doesn't have to be a part of the deal, just have to prove ownership.

No such joy for us diehard Dodge fans. This will only be my 3rd Dodge since 1998 so I guess we're all chopped liver.

I have been seeing different conquest cash offers. Some say a competing hd truck and others say any competing brand. Any ideas, or is this a dealers way to keep some $$$ at our expense?

 

[1FastHemi]

I got invoice - full holdback. I probably could have pressed for an extra $500 or gotten some add-ons but the dealer that gave me the best deal was upfront and easy to work with, the others were not willing to deal. In the end, time is money and my time is worth something to me.

I had my dealer down to a similar deal as yours on my first ordered truck before it came in damage. Dealers Cost (FWP), Minus Hold Back (HB), Minus $500. and they were throwing in about 1k in Parts and Labor and they were going to throw in 2 of what they call Coupons they had and accept a $500 discount code I already had. Then my truck came in damaged and I refused it, so that deal went out the window.

Well now I have the same truck on order again with the options that the salesman/dealer forgot to put on the first build. I can't say at the current time exactly what price and concessions we agreed on but it is a LOT BETTER that the first deal! I will be very happy when the new truck gets here!

I would think if the dealer is hungry enough he should come to a final price of : Dealers Cost (FFP), Minus Hold Back (HB), Minus $500, or better not including any discount you can gather.

Edited Post: To correct a mistake on my part to reduce confusion.

 

[John Jensen]

I would think if the dealer is hungry enough he should come to a final price of : Dealers Cost (FFP), Minus Hold Back (HB), Minus $500, or better not including any discount you can gather.

Are you sure that FFP is the dealer's cost? FFP stands for Friends & Family Purchase. I believe the dealer's cost (invoice) is FWP

 

[1FastHemi]

Are you sure that FFP is the dealer's cost? FFP stands for Friends & Family Purchase. I believe the dealer's cost (invoice) is FWP

Yes, I believe you are correct. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Rich]

That to me sounds like a nightmare. My heart goes out to anyone who has to go through that. What' makes maters worse, imo, is these dealers doing the same build but adding a couple of $500 options for a minimal discount is a joke. Again imo. That's a slap in the face after they put you through all that, to go through it again possibly is unacceptable. I dont know if this happens to me if ill be Willing to settle , I think ill be talking to a legal expert to maximise my outcome. I'm sorry but anyone spending 80+ on a vehicle then be asked to cut a small deal is nothing more than a payoff. I mean these things are more expensive than some peoples homes, an they think because there the big conglomerate that they can buy us. If they buy me, it ain't gonna be cheap. Yah, i know I'm fired up. These damaged truck stories really Make me P.O. of how they take advantage of all us hard earning people. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. Wich i know doesn't always mean much in the end outcome. If you don't mind being asked, what an how bad was the damage, obviously it was significant enough. Again, hate anyone having to go through this

 

[John Jensen]

1FastHemi,
Here's the summary data that was on the Priced Order Confirmation (POC) my dealer gave me when I ordered my 2020 last month.
It may not help you but it may clarify the nomenclature.
MSRP 77,755
FWP (Dealer Invoice) 72,375
HB (Holdback) 2,282
FFP (Fiends & Family Purchase) 71,726
EP (Employee Purchase) 68,956

I'm not sure all dealers would give you a copy of their POC.
My grandson-in-law being the dealership's General Sales Manager makes a difference.

 

[1FastHemi]

That to me sounds like a nightmare. My heart goes out to anyone who has to go through that. What' makes maters worse, imo, is these dealers doing the same build but adding a couple of $500 options for a minimal discount is a joke. Again imo. That's a slap in the face after they put you through all that, to go through it again possibly is unacceptable. I dont know if this happens to me if ill be Willing to settle , I think ill be talking to a legal expert to maximise my outcome. I'm sorry but anyone spending 80+ on a vehicle then be asked to cut a small deal is nothing more than a payoff. I mean these things are more expensive than some peoples homes, an they think because there the big conglomerate that they can buy us. If they buy me, it ain't gonna be cheap. Yah, i know I'm fired up. These damaged truck stories really Make me P.O. of how they take advantage of all us hard earning people. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. Wich i know doesn't always mean much in the end outcome. If you don't mind being asked, what an how bad was the damage, obviously it was significant enough. Again, hate anyone having to go through this

Everyone, Please excuse me here as I am not trying to hijack the thread here!

Yes, It was a nightmare. Let me say, I am very happy with the New deal that was offer to me, the Dealer and FCA did a Great job after the dust settled!. I just can't talk price or exactly what they did,, I hope you understand. I will say, it is a very good deal and we are happy!

As far as the Truck that arrived damaged, It didn't look that bad at first glance, but I did have a person from another body shop look at it and it was about 10k to do the repairs. During the accident, the bed somehow got pushed up against the rear of the cab and had damage there as well. The last time I saw it was through a fence with the pickup bed remove. I assuming they are going to fix it and where or what happens to it after that, It isn't any of my concern anymore. I am just moving on to the new replacement truck when it arrives.

 

[Rich]

I am very happy that your outcome satisfied you. I wish everyone's experience was as well or even better yet, wich is my point, that it shouldn't hardly happen at all to put us in these situations is just heart breaking. But life goes on, I just don't think I can deal with all that mess, and again no one should have to.

 

[John Jensen]

1FastHemi,

Looked at what you ordered - that is one fine truck. I'm especially interested in some of the additional mods you are expecting. In particular the Manual/Force Re-Gen Enabled, Cruise Control Min set speed 5mph and Modified Turning Radius. I did not know of those possibilities. Can you elaborate or give us more info? Much appreciated.

 

[1FastHemi]

1FastHemi,

Looked at what you ordered - that is one fine truck. I'm especially interested in some of the additional mods you are expecting. In particular the Manual/Force Re-Gen Enabled, Cruise Control Min set speed 5mph and Modified Turning Radius. I did not know of those possibilities. Can you elaborate or give us more info? Much appreciated.

Here you go, Check this post out: https://hdrams.com/forum/index.php?threads/my-new-ram-3500-arrived-damaged.1445/page-3#post-15619

 

[Rich]

The dealers will modify the starting radius for you if desired. Just an fyi ,I use to drive a commercial regen truck since there inception years ago an as they have come along way a properly running regen should work on its own an should never need a manual forced regen. It's nice to have this feature if the system isn't working properly that you can force it to fire up but it's really a false sense of security as it's just distracting from there being an underlying problem wich can cost thousands to fix. Just beware, if you have to force it, then something else has failed. Have it checked out. Sweet looking rig though.

 

[1FastHemi]

The dealers will modify the starting radius for you if desired. Just an fyi ,I use to drive a commercial regen truck since there inception years ago an as they have come along way a properly running regen should work on its own an should never need a manual forced regen. It's nice to have this feature if the system isn't working properly that you can force it to fire up but it's really a false sense of security as it's just distracting from there being an underlying problem wich can cost thousands to fix. Just beware, if you have to force it, then something else has failed. Have it checked out. Sweet looking rig though.

I agree with you 100%. There are times that I go in some chemical plants, some of them have Rules, one of them is you have to disable/postpone ALL Re-generations due to the possibility of fire or explosion due to what they manufacture. As far as I can find out, Ram doesn't know how to disable/postpone the process to allow us to have it done. However the option I have found, doing a Re-gen before I go in makes them happy as it won't need to do another one for a while. Problem Solved. This is a standard item (disable/postpone or ability to Re-gen at will) on all Volvo trucks with the Volvo engine. Cummins big truck have this options as well, at least all of mine do as they were all order with it. BTW, a Manual/Parked Re-gen cleans the filter better and you can even over ride and clear codes that can stop the process.

 

[John Jensen]

Here you go, Check this post out: https://hdrams.com/forum/index.php?threads/my-new-ram-3500-arrived-damaged.1445/page-3#post-15619

Thanks fpr the link - it looks like I'm able to perform those myself.
The Manual/Force Re-Gen Enabled is an interesting option. I can do that with my Edge Monitor and I believe also with AlfaOBD
It seems I can also do the Manual/Force Re-Gen Enabled with AlfaOBD
I thought the Modified Turning Radius might be something new. I'm not into grinding the stops.

Edit:
Line 3 should read, It seems I can also do the Cruise Control Min set speed 5mph with AlfaOBD

 

[Rich]

How did I know this regen topic was going to turn into everyone going back an forth. Some more info as I not only drove these trucks I was also trained and mechaniced on them. The button/ toggle referred to disable/ post pone/ or bypass the system from wanting to regen is a only last resort type situation only. Example being your in a high traffic or a safety sensitive situation an you need to get out of 5 mph limp mode then an only then is it appropriate to bypass the regen process. Yes, its 100% true that doing a manual regen does a deep clean to the particulate filter, but again your just putting lip stick on the pig. It's not necessary to do this. When the nox sensors an esm an all firing probes are functioning properly, it is a maintenance free system, it will take care of it self. Think of it like a maintenance free battery. Also, i can't stress enough don't ever, if your truck is on regen process disable the process or turn off your truck during the cycle. Let the system run it's cycle as intended. Yes it's true, it will shut it off. I have seen people spend tens of thousands trying to fix these regen systems, they are very finicky an hard to diagnose, even when the lap top tells you what it is an where to go, 75% of the time changing that part won't fix the problem, hence the tens of thousands spent because you just keep throwing parts at it. Why do you think people break the law an delete them. These are not designed to be grocery getters or be bop around town. Sure you can run errands an do normal things but you also have to additionally run at high rpm speeds on the interstate for a duration of time to let it run its cycle. These are work horses , if it needs regened an your busy doing something, oh well, your sol, don't turn it off or bypass unless an emergency, run it like you stole it. It's your all's equipment but if you want to prolong the life of these highly sensitive systems I would take care oif them properly. These are just my opinions

 

[Rich]

This is why regen is such a divisive topic. Its come along way over the years but everyone has there own opinion an ase certified mechanics still can't fix them with there college degrees. Read read read your manuals thoroughlyan follow the instruct funds religiously. Again imo

 

[Brutal_HO]

This is why regen is such a divisive topic. Its come along way over the years but everyone has there own opinion an ase certified mechanics still can't fix them with there college degrees. Read read read your manuals thoroughlyan follow the instruct funds religiously. Again imo

I asked my dealer about manual regen and cruise down to 5 MPH and he said they're not allowed to do it anymore.

I can do the cruise with AlphaOBD, but I don't think the regen can be changed.

 

[Rich]

Its just like anything else In life. There's things you can do but should you do them. Im being philosophical on a Monday morning .lol .What's sad is even the professionals, after all these years, still don't know much about these systems. I've met with dozens of ASE certified mechanics with college degrees and they will tel you, they just start throwing part's at it until something sticks. Unfortunately those parts cost the consumer. Risk vs reward.