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Regens at alarming rate!

Hello Everyone, I hope all are safe and healthy. So I started this post years ago, and over that time my regens continued at an alarming rate. To the point my DPF was replaced by the dealer. Well as of today they have had my truck since December 17, 2024. I had gotten a check engine light as soon as a regen started during a run of about fifty miles. Dropped off the truck, they ran the code, high regen frequency. At this point regens were about once a week. They trouble shot, sensors good, dpf good, def good, et cetera. Until they checked the fuel system. My injectors had been weeping raw fuel in the cylinder on the exhaust stroke, sending it through the exhaust. At this point I am still waiting to get my truck back, they said they worked on it today.

Now for the dealer saga. @RamCares
Parts - I have been told there is no injector replacement kit for 22’s. All of the injectors had to be ordered individually. Which took a week and some change to get. The fuel tubes needed replacing, they are a “one time use” item. The parts depot sent the wrong ones (3.0 not 6.7) and did not ship the 6 of them at the same. Dealer said they needed to open a star report, have not heard back on that outcome. It is one thing after another. I want ALL of the associated paper work, mech reports, parts orders (wrong and right), star report, et cetera for this evolution. If the dealer will not give it to me, how do I get it?

Be safe,
Randy
Have you been going to this dealership since the problem started ? It looks like they are intelligent enough to atleast dig deeper into it than most. Maybe they have found some of the problems that alot are having. Looks like they are seriously trying to find what the problem is and not just throwing parts at it. I too wonder if it’s injectors leaking or the programming.
 
Good evening everyone. Who runs the star maintenance program for stellantis? they still have not authorized the work, ow they are asking the shop to check my high pressure fuel pump. everyday it is somthing else.

Be safe
Randy
 
Have you been going to this dealership since the problem started ? It looks like they are intelligent enough to atleast dig deeper into it than most. Maybe they have found some of the problems that alot are having. Looks like they are seriously trying to find what the problem is and not just throwing parts at it. I too wonder if it’s injectors leaking or the programming.
Yes, I use them for all my warranty work.
 
Good evening everyone. Who runs the star maintenance program for stellantis? they still have not authorized the work, ow they are asking the shop to check my high pressure fuel pump. everyday it is somthing else.

Be safe
Randy
STAR isn’t a maintenance program. It is the technical assistance center for all of the dealerships to use as a resource for help fixing issues that are more difficult than the routine and well-documented repairs or issues.

Service Technical Assistance Resource”

I’m not sure who oversees that operation, but it interfaces with the dealership technicians via “agents” in a similar fashion to a call resource center. Communication is by a message system in the Mopar dealer network. Dealer techs can send messages back and forth to the “agent” in charge of the “STAR case” assigned to a specific vehicle / customer.
 
F@ck STAR!! Sorry Mods!! So STAR is not authorizing any maintenance on my truck currently. They now feel the injectors or any other part of the fuel system (currently) is not the problem, nor do they feel that the DPF is bad, because they replaced it once already. We will see what bs they come up with later today, or based on past updates, it will be Wednesday. Five weeks!!!!!

A interesting note I found out today is, the injectors for the 22 6.7 CTD are a different design from the 19-21, they are “upgraded”, second when they did replace the DPF in 2023, it was also an “upgraded” unit. @mrat240

@RamCares : how do we verify these parts are actually upgrades? I ordered my Ram my way, but I have never been so close to selling or trading it.

Be safe,
Randy
 
Postive news on my 19 limited. With the new dpf, fuel filters, oil change, and reseting stored values with AlphaOBD after the new dpf was installed I'm at 8hrs of run time and 210miles. Lots of idling due to sub zero temps and having the truck sit outside for 24hrs+ while at work. So far no movement on the dpf guage. I'm definitely going to jinks this truck now.

Oil was heavily diluted with fuel and higher on the dip stick than normal operating range. Should of sent a sample off but wouldn't of done much besides it's full of fuel.
 
Postive news on my 19 limited. With the new dpf, fuel filters, oil change, and reseting stored values with AlphaOBD after the new dpf was installed I'm at 8hrs of run time and 210miles. Lots of idling due to sub zero temps and having the truck sit outside for 24hrs+ while at work. So far no movement on the dpf guage. I'm definitely going to jinks this truck now.

Oil was heavily diluted with fuel and higher on the dip stick than normal operating range. Should of sent a sample off but wouldn't of done much besides it's full of fuel.

Do you run at a higher rpm idle when operating like that ?
 
Postive news on my 19 limited. With the new dpf, fuel filters, oil change, and reseting stored values with AlphaOBD after the new dpf was installed I'm at 8hrs of run time and 210miles. Lots of idling due to sub zero temps and having the truck sit outside for 24hrs+ while at work. So far no movement on the dpf guage. I'm definitely going to jinks this truck now.

Oil was heavily diluted with fuel and higher on the dip stick than normal operating range. Should of sent a sample off but wouldn't of done much besides it's full of fuel.
Have you checked to see if it’s still making oil ? Sounds like you have an internal fuel leak from the HPFP or an injector or etc.
 
Postive news on my 19 limited. With the new dpf, fuel filters, oil change, and reseting stored values with AlphaOBD after the new dpf was installed I'm at 8hrs of run time and 210miles. Lots of idling due to sub zero temps and having the truck sit outside for 24hrs+ while at work. So far no movement on the dpf guage. I'm definitely going to jinks this truck now.

Oil was heavily diluted with fuel and higher on the dip stick than normal operating range. Should have sent a sample off but wouldn't have done much besides it's full of fuel.
I would think that the long periods of idle time in sub zero climates is adding to your fuel dilution. While high idle is preferable, you’re still operating the engine in an unloaded state in very cold weather. Without a load on the engine, and with temps that low, I would suspect the in-cylinder temperatures are still not desirable for complete combustion. It’ll be interesting to see how things go moving forward now that the DPF has been replaced. A lot of idle time in cold weather can face plug the DOC
 
I would think that the long periods of idle time in sub zero climates is adding to your fuel dilution. While high idle is preferable, you’re still operating the engine in an unloaded state in very cold weather. Without a load on the engine, and with temps that low, I would suspect the in-cylinder temperatures are still not desirable for complete combustion. It’ll be interesting to see how things go moving forward now that the DPF has been replaced. A lot of idle time in cold weather can face plug the DOC

These trucks aren’t afraid of sub-zero temps. A winter front does wonders for retaining heat while sitting outside at work and is far better for the engine and emissions systems.
 
STAR isn’t a maintenance program. It is the technical assistance center for all of the dealerships to use as a resource for help fixing issues that are more difficult than the routine and well-documented repairs or issues.

Service Technical Assistance Resource”

I’m not sure who oversees that operation, but it interfaces with the dealership technicians via “agents” in a similar fashion to a call resource center. Communication is by a message system in the Mopar dealer network. Dealer techs can send messages back and forth to the “agent” in charge of the “STAR case” assigned to a specific vehicle / customer.
My local dealer isn't very impressed with the STAR techs on diesels. He claims they're clueless.

I'm not surprised, we knew more about the telecom systems we sold than to waste our time with tech support, they knew MUCH less. Drove us crazy more than once.
 
My local dealer isn't very impressed with the STAR techs on diesels. He claims they're clueless.

I'm not surprised, we knew more about the telecom systems we sold than to waste our time with tech support, they knew MUCH less. Drove us crazy more than once.
From everything I’ve seen while monitoring some of the major issues with these trucks over the past several years, I would concur with your local dealer.
 
Have you checked to see if it’s still making oil ? Sounds like you have an internal fuel leak from the HPFP or an injector or etc.

I would think that the long periods of idle time in sub zero climates is adding to your fuel dilution. While high idle is preferable, you’re still operating the engine in an unloaded state in very cold weather. Without a load on the engine, and with temps that low, I would suspect the in-cylinder temperatures are still not desirable for complete combustion. It’ll be interesting to see how things go moving forward now that the DPF has been replaced. A lot of idle time in cold weather can face plug the DOC
Without a regen i am at 19hrs and 375 miles. By the looks of it I'll be having a regen within soon based on the dpf gauge. Showing 4G of soot currently and probably won't passive on my drive home on the highway tomorrow. Oil level has not changed. Over the last few weeks it's been cold enough the truck has been high idling on its own when started. -20F air temp for several days in a row.
 
Without a regen i am at 19hrs and 375 miles. By the looks of it I'll be having a regen within soon based on the dpf gauge. Showing 4G of soot currently and probably won't passive on my drive home on the highway tomorrow. Oil level has not changed. Over the last few weeks it's been cold enough the truck has been high idling on its own when started. -20F air temp for several days in a row.
19 engine hours and 375 miles works out to an average speed of 19.7 mph. You must be doing a lot of idle time or slow speed driving?
 
19 engine hours and 375 miles works out to an average speed of 19.7 mph. You must be doing a lot of idle time or slow speed driving?
Currently yes. Extreme cold temps and lots of slow city driving are the cause. Haven't been pulling my sled trailer with this truck due to the quad cab sucks for 4 guys. Have a buddy with a megacab so we've been taking his truck.
 
Currently yes. Extreme cold temps and lots of slow city driving are the cause. Haven't been pulling my sled trailer with this truck due to the quad cab sucks for 4 guys. Have a buddy with a megacab so we've been taking his truck.
It’s pretty amazing you’ve been able to achieve 19 engine hours on that low of an average speed. That’s not typically what I’m used to seeing on trucks with very low speed / long idle type duty cycles.
 
i feel special since im at 1133 miles between regens at this point

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Mine is showing 850 DPFDIS and when I hand calculate based on my independent, manually recorded records, I’m calculating 863 miles between cycles. So the iDash is actually showing pretty close to the same amount. The time value is also close in agreement.
 
i feel special since im at 1133 miles between regens at this point

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I wouldn’t put too much faith in that PID, they are known to not be accurate. The time one is also not accurate.

Mine is showing 850 DPFDIS and when I hand calculate based on my independent, manually recorded records, I’m calculating 863 miles between cycles. So the iDash is actually showing pretty close to the same amount. The time value is also close in agreement.

Probably coincidence, the distance and time PIDs are a joke at accuracy.

Have you ever dug deep into them and tried to figure out what they are averaging? I can’t come up with a number of regens reported to make them even close to accurate. At one point the time was telling me I was 1530 minutes between regen, lol we know that’s false.
 
I wouldn’t put too much faith in that PID, they are known to not be accurate. The time one is also not accurate.



Probably coincidence, the distance and time PIDs are a joke at accuracy.

Have you ever dug deep into them and tried to figure out what they are averaging? I can’t come up with a number of regens reported to make them even close to accurate. At one point the time was telling me I was 1530 minutes between regen, lol we know that’s false.

its not far off to be fair. i was keeping track but stopped 2 regens ago. i drive 110-120 miles a day all highway at 80mph (Sometimes more) and regen every 24 hours. so its pretty much spot on at this point.
 
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