Automatic Regen too often

[TomTom]

I think it’s air density.
I’d love to invest in the Banks intake, eliminate the plenum restriction, and upgrade the charge air piping to match. I’d be willing to bet I would see an Increase in performance and a reduction in regeneration necessity. I’m just trying to decide whether it’s worth it to keep tossing money at this thing in search of answers to problems that the manufacturer should have already addressed. This is the first time in my 20+ years of Dodge / Ram loyalty where I’ve encountered issues. It’s even more disappointing to realize they don’t seem willing, interested, or able to rectify them.

I’ve been thinking/wanting to do this as well but hard to justify throwing money at the truck if it’s going to continue having issues. Mine Regens every 100 miles and I just took it back to the dealership. Waiting for them to tell me in a week if it’s not throwing codes it’s not their problem. I feel like mine has something to do with boost/air density as well. Hoping they do a boost leak test this time as my inter cooler tubes don’t look properly seated.

 

[CaptainMike]

I’ve been thinking/wanting to do this as well but hard to justify throwing money at the truck if it’s going to continue having issues. Mine Regens every 100 miles and I just took it back to the dealership. Waiting for them to tell me in a week if it’s not throwing codes it’s not their problem. I feel like mine has something to do with boost/air density as well. Hoping they do a boost leak test this time as my inter cooler tubes don’t look properly seated.

Don't hold your breath, they replaced mine and it didn't help.

 

[OLEJOE]

Yup, the only thing that's helping mine is DPF replacement, but I'm pretty sure that is a symptom of an upstream problem.

I hope you are wrong and never have this problem again.

 

[DougB]

I had been running my truck for months with some of the AGS slats or vanes removed with no issues. I reinstalled all of them and the next drive went from 0% on the DPF gauge to automatic regen within 30 miles. I was nowhere near a timed 24 hr regen. Theoretically, that alone should have made no difference but it did. I immediately took them back out when I got home but it didn’t help. The air filter actually stays cleaner without the vanes in. I get some bugs but not the black greasy coating the old one had on it. Has anyone tried changing the other sensor in the air filter box besides the MAF ? You would think after 2 years of these problems it would have been figured out why these trucks can’t adjust to varying conditions quicker than the months that it seems to take. As @mbarber84 has stated, his truck went back to its bad habits simply because the ambient temperature went up. That in itself should tell someone what the problem is.

30miles to regen with the slats back in?!? That’s crazy. Wonder if with them removed again it’ll go back to timed intervals eventually or if the warmer weather is causing you issues that coincidentally happened same time you put the vanes back in.

 

[19Ram2500.Mega]

I think it’s air density.
I’d love to invest in the Banks intake, eliminate the plenum restriction, and upgrade the charge air piping to match. I’d be willing to bet I would see an Increase in performance and a reduction in regeneration necessity. I’m just trying to decide whether it’s worth it to keep tossing money at this thing in search of answers to problems that the manufacturer should have already addressed. This is the first time in my 20+ years of Dodge / Ram loyalty where I’ve encountered issues. It’s even more disappointing to realize they don’t seem willing, interested, or able to rectify them.

I'm curious about this. My truck began having more issues when we moved up in elevation. Runs great at sea level and once it runs a bit above a few thousand feet the light generally comes on.

 

[OLEJOE]

30miles to regen with the slats back in?!? That’s crazy. Wonder if with them removed again it’ll go back to timed intervals eventually or if the warmer weather is causing you issues that coincidentally happened same time you put the vanes back in.

It was dropping the time interval before that regen. 24 hrs then 15 hrs then 11 hrs. I took the vanes back out so we’ll see what it looks like this time. I’m running some Archoil additive on this tank and it was on it during the last regen. It lasted 20 miles but only 15 minutes at 80 mph. Tailpipe has a gray residue or soot that it never has had before. Not much. Just a very light film. I’ve got 140 miles and 4 hours on it since and the gauge is still on zero but it hasn’t really been long enough for it yet. I hope it did get a good clean out.

 

[joshuaeb09]

I think it’s air density.
I’d love to invest in the Banks intake, eliminate the plenum restriction, and upgrade the charge air piping to match. I’d be willing to bet I would see an Increase in performance and a reduction in regeneration necessity. I’m just trying to decide whether it’s worth it to keep tossing money at this thing in search of answers to problems that the manufacturer should have already addressed. This is the first time in my 20+ years of Dodge / Ram loyalty where I’ve encountered issues. It’s even more disappointing to realize they don’t seem willing, interested, or able to rectify them.

It's 1000% density/air quality. The only time my truck acts funny is when it's hot and humid, the higher the humidity - the worse it is. Warm and dry is fine, Cool (sub 60s) and humid is fine, cold (rare for us) is like a whole new beast, but the factory tuning seems to have some BS limit on how crap the air can be (or it just goes out of bounds and does dumb things). I get the P0402 code only when loaded and high temps/humidity (yea I know I have the banks elbow, boost tubes, and the S&B intake), but it only does that crap when its hot and swampy. I've also noticed it's worse if I start the day close to sea level and then end the day going up into the Texas hill country. That elevation change + hot + humid = annoying things (The Service Exhaust Alerts and then P0402 CEL killing my remote start).

What I've noticed when the seasons change is this with my truck in South Central Texas -

"Winter" - Truck is real fun to drive, turbo spools good - TX "winter" fuel MPG sucks, but the truck runs GREAT. DEF Consumption is like nothing and the DPF is almost always clean unless I have too much fun on back roads without driving it down the hwy after. No code, no annoyances, I want this truck all year long.
Spring - Truck can run from ok to great, but the 95%+ humidity days = the time of the DPF loading and needing to "run" it out with towing if possible. Starts getting DEF thirsty
Summer - Truck throws the damned P0402 codes and GUZZLES DEF, but the DPF is almost always clean. It's the most "pigish" in summer, she ain't the fun girl she is in the cooler temps at all.
Fall - Same as spring, but the same humidity problems. It's the time of DPF loading again and it gets better along with DEF consumption dropping as it cools down and drys out.

 

[Brutal_HO]

It's 1000% density/air quality. The only time my truck acts funny is when it's hot and humid, the higher the humidity - the worse it is. Warm and dry is fine, Cool (sub 60s) and humid is fine, cold (rare for us) is like a whole new beast, but the factory tuning seems to have some BS limit on how crap the air can be (or it just goes out of bounds and does dumb things). I get the P0402 code only when loaded and high temps/humidity (yea I know I have the banks elbow, boost tubes, and the S&B intake), but it only does that crap when its hot and swampy. I've also noticed it's worse if I start the day close to sea level and then end the day going up into the Texas hill country. That elevation change + hot + humid = annoying things (The Service Exhaust Alerts and then P0402 CEL killing my remote start).

What I've noticed when the seasons change is this with my truck in South Central Texas -

"Winter" - Truck is real fun to drive, turbo spools good - TX "winter" fuel MPG sucks, but the truck runs GREAT. DEF Consumption is like nothing and the DPF is almost always clean unless I have too much fun on back roads without driving it down the hwy after. No code, no annoyances, I want this truck all year long.
Spring - Truck can run from ok to great, but the 95%+ humidity days = the time of the DPF loading and needing to "run" it out with towing if possible. Starts getting DEF thirsty
Summer - Truck throws the damned P0402 codes and GUZZLES DEF, but the DPF is almost always clean. It's the most "pigish" in summer, she ain't the fun girl she is in the cooler temps at all.
Fall - Same as spring, but the same humidity problems. It's the time of DPF loading again and it gets better along with DEF consumption dropping as it cools down and drys out.

As a data point, ALL turbocharged engines run better during winter/cold. It is one meelion % the air density. Boosted applications thrive on cold dense air.

Left field question. Do any of you have any restrictions in the IC airflow? Lower skidplates, lightbars, etc?

 

[oledirteh]

I think it’s air density.
I’d love to invest in the Banks intake, eliminate the plenum restriction, and upgrade the charge air piping to match. I’d be willing to bet I would see an Increase in performance and a reduction in regeneration necessity. I’m just trying to decide whether it’s worth it to keep tossing money at this thing in search of answers to problems that the manufacturer should have already addressed. This is the first time in my 20+ years of Dodge / Ram loyalty where I’ve encountered issues. It’s even more disappointing to realize they don’t seem willing, interested, or able to rectify them.

i have the banks stuff on my truck. the only difference i have seen is i am consistent on 20-21mpg. in the winter regen happened every 24 hrs of run time. now that its summer im getting a regen at 11-12 hours of run time. i have the cold air intake as well. which that just makes the turbo loud. pretty nice sounding. but over all there was no power gains.

however at almost 100k miles its been pretty consistent on regens.

im at the point where im willing to start looking at removing all of the issues exhaust related but have no idea where or who to look at.

 

[Units]

im at the point where im willing to start looking at removing all of the issues exhaust related but have no idea where or who to look at.

You should PM @H3LZSN1P3R

 

[Riddick]

i have the banks stuff on my truck. the only difference i have seen is i am consistent on 20-21mpg. in the winter regen happened every 24 hrs of run time. now that its summer im getting a regen at 11-12 hours of run time. i have the cold air intake as well. which that just makes the turbo loud. pretty nice sounding. but over all there was no power gains.

however at almost 100k miles its been pretty consistent on regens.

im at the point where im willing to start looking at removing all of the issues exhaust related but have no idea where or who to look at.

I have a brand new full 4" stainless exhaust system with muffler for sale. I am about 4 hrs from you, if you are interested I will give you a heck of a deal. System goes for 775 not including a chrome tip I purchased. I have it listed on FB Marketplace for 550, if interested shoot me a PM... id be willing to meet you somewhere.

 

[joshuaeb09]

As a data point, ALL turbocharged engines run better during winter/cold. It is one meelion % the air density. Boosted applications thrive on cold dense air.

Left field question. Do any of you have any restrictions in the IC airflow? Lower skidplates, lightbars, etc?

Oh 100%, but this truck seems to be worse about the impacts of heat than the pre 19 tuning. I have the the promod bumper for now and while it does have a lightbar/skidplate - the lightbar is blocking parts of the stock upper bumper/plastic trim and the skid plate gives similar or slightly better IC airflow exposure than stock logging temps before/after. One of my primary shopping metrics to replace the paint transfered stock bumper was that I didn't want anything blocking the IC other than a well ventilated skidplate/cover for protection.

I know I don't have it nearly as a bad as some guys - I rarely if ever get a soot load regen (almost always the 24 hours ones), but when we hit the shoulder seasons it comes damn close every single 24 hour period unless I'm towing.

 

[OLEJOE]

Well the humidity here is almost bad enough to need a snorkel on the truck year round. It’s 69% at the moment and 72 degrees. If it’s air density, is it the sensor that detects the air density or the PCM that interprets what the sensor is detecting ? The worst day PA could have for temperature and humidity probably wouldn’t be as bad as our best day. I do think altitude affects my truck negatively. Not as bad as it did my 18 but it still has an impact on how the 22 runs. I’ve wondered about the air density, barometric pressure sensor.

 

[joshuaeb09]

Well the humidity here is almost bad enough to need a snorkel on the truck year round. It’s 69% at the moment and 72 degrees. If it’s air density, is it the sensor that detects the air density or the PCM that interprets what the sensor is detecting ? The worst day PA could have for temperature and humidity probably wouldn’t be as bad as our best day. I do think altitude affects my truck negatively. Not as bad as it did my 18 but it still has an impact on how the 22 runs. I’ve wondered about the air density, barometric pressure sensor.

ATM its 81 and 79% RH, a "cool" morning =( - It's not unusual for us to have a dewpoint in the mid - high 70s with temps 95+.

 

[oledirteh]

in Maryland our mosquitoes wear water wings and snorkels and get boned up on suntan lotion.

 

[OLEJOE]

ATM its 81 and 79% RH, a "cool" morning =( - It's not unusual for us to have a dewpoint in the mid - high 70s with temps 95+.

Here either. Supposed to be in the mid 90’s here Saturday and continue for a while. I am not going to give up on or get rid of this truck. I’m going to do whatever it takes to keep it running. If that means putting it on a diet, so be it.

 

[joshuaeb09]

i have the banks stuff on my truck. the only difference i have seen is i am consistent on 20-21mpg. in the winter regen happened every 24 hrs of run time. now that its summer im getting a regen at 11-12 hours of run time. i have the cold air intake as well. which that just makes the turbo loud. pretty nice sounding. but over all there was no power gains.

however at almost 100k miles its been pretty consistent on regens.

im at the point where im willing to start looking at removing all of the issues exhaust related but have no idea where or who to look at.

The banks box always pops the P0402 code on my truck so I didn't run it long, but with the S&B box I do notice more soot-loading if I run plug out. Plug in is the best so far as the DPF is concerned, especially when its going through its "seasonal transition". I swear my truck is a just another woman in my life - something changes and she gets fussy about it just like my daughter lol.

 

[oledirteh]

The banks box always pops the P0402 code on my truck so I didn't run it long, but with the S&B box I do notice more soot-loading if I run plug out. Plug in is the best so far as the DPF is concerned, especially when its going through its "seasonal transition". I swear my truck is a just another woman in my life - something changes and she gets fussy about it just like my daughter lol.

yea im running the banks air box, no codes no issues. other then tubski noises and a louder sounding exhaust break no real changes on my end.

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

Just an update on my truck - MAF replaced and relearn completed. Solved nothing. In fact the dealer even got a CEL for excessive regens this time. Something I had not gotten, but had data logged my regens with photos. So after getting ram cares involved dealer was willing to work on it w/o CEL. However, as stated MAF changed nothing - regened at 20 miles and turned on CEL this time.

 

[OLEJOE]

Just an update on my truck - MAF replaced and relearn completed. Solved nothing. In fact the dealer even got a CEL for excessive regens this time. Something I had not gotten, but had data logged my regens with photos. So after getting ram cares involved dealer was willing to work on it w/o CEL. However, as stated MAF changed nothing - regened at 20 miles and turned on CEL this time.

Until we can get someone to data log these trucks and look deeper into the tune data and try to make some adjustments instead of just changing parts, we are stuck with them. Air density, temperature, humidity, altitude, etc, none of these factors should matter one bit with a sensor and computer system that is supposed to adjust what it needs to to compensate for the variations.
If anything is out of range for the computer system to compensate for it then it should pop a code instead of continuing to dump fuel in, creating soot, and stopping up the DPF to the point of another regen.