SO what's a REAL lift

[bigontheblue]

My dealer tells me that my 3500 is lifted. I'm not buying it (I just bought it), it's certainly taller than my 3rd gen 1500, but not obnoxious. Also doesn't seem to "need" a leveling kit as it doesn't dive at all .... maybe a leveling kit was what they were referring to but I still don't see a kit installed.

What do I need to be looking for? I'm not dumb... just new to HD's... so maybe I am dumb. Everything underneath looks to be stock or stock aged, so it's hard to tell. There isn't a separate spacer on the front strut cage.

???

 

[cj8rockcrawler]

I would start by posting a side shot of your truck and pictures of the shocks and springs. The group here should be able to tell you pretty quickly if it is stock or not.

 

[elephantrider]

it will have a spacer kit, most likely. pics would help.

 

[AH64ID]

The Ram commercial website has all the OEM dimensions and height measurements. That’s an easy thing to reference your truck against.

Ram Trucks Body Builder Guide - Upfit Your Truck

Ram Trucks Body Builder's Guide has information you need to upfit your truck. Explore the Body Builder Guide for dimensions, electrical & technical guides.

www.ramtrucks.com

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

Never trust a word your dealer says. Always verify with your own eyes. They’re completely clueless and will straight up make something up that they think sounds good.

You did the right thing by coming here except we haven’t seen your truck so we have no idea if it’s lifted. We need pics.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Pictures are always gold!

 

[Crusty old shellback]

If its done correctly, it would be different coil springs in the front and either different coils or leafe sin the rear.

If its done like most cheap kits, spacers in the front and spacers or lift blocks in the rear. If it's leaf, it will have a block in the rear from the factory, but not more than 2 inches thick.

The 2500 Power Wagon is the only one I know of that does come with a lift from the factory. 2" coil spring lift.

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

If its done correctly, it would be different coil springs in the front and either different coils or leafe sin the rear.

If its done like most cheap kits, spacers in the front and spacers or lift blocks in the rear. If it's leaf, it will have a block in the rear from the factory, but not more than 2 inches thick.

There’s always going to be someone who says something like this.

There is no good reason why a 1”-2” taller coil spring is better than a 1”-2” spacer. These trucks really don’t need any more lift than that so it’s pointless to argue about taller lifts.

In fact, every aftermarket spring option for these trucks is significantly softer than the factory springs. This is actually the best reason to not buy new springs and use a spacer instead.

 

[Crusty old shellback]

So what you are telling me then is that no one makes a proper coil spring lift for these trucks, other than the factory.

The PW is a 2" coil spring lift from the factory.

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

So what you are telling me then is that no one makes a proper coil spring lift for these trucks, other than the factory.

The PW is a 2" coil spring lift from the factory.

The power wagon has significantly diminished payload from a standard 2500

 

[Crusty old shellback]

I'm sure there are companies that make lift springs with the same payload but better ride than stock. Just they are not mainstream cookie cutters.

I know for leaf springs, Deaver springs is the go to. national spring used to be a player, but I think they went out of business. I've used their coil springs on my 2WD Chevy trucks.

But you probably knew all of this already.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I'm sure there are companies that make lift springs with the same payload but better ride than stock. Just they are not mainstream cookie cutters.

I know for leaf springs, Deaver springs is the go to. national spring used to be a player, but I think they went out of business. I've used their coil springs on my 2WD Chevy trucks.

But you probably knew all of this already.

Better ride will be softer and less load rating than stock coils as far as coil rate goes even with progressive rate coils.

Thats just fact and it cant be changed if it rides smoother its a softer spring. Which makes a coil spacer the better alternative.

 

[Crusty old shellback]

Longer coil at a softer rate will provide lift as well. AND it gives you more travel than a spacer, which gives the shock more time to dampen the spring, making for a better ride.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Longer coil at a softer rate will provide lift as well. AND it gives you more travel than a spacer, which gives the shock more time to dampen the spring, making for a better ride.

Yes you are not getting the point @Rockcrawlerdude and i are trying to convey … any of the lift springs are softer giving you less weight capacity… That is why spacers are better…. Unless you prefer to use your HD truck as a minivan just for commuting instead of using it as a heavy duty truck

 

[Crusty old shellback]

Ah, you can get lift springs rated at the sane weight carrying capacity as the original. Or you can get some that are heavier weight rated.

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

Longer coil at a softer rate will provide lift as well. AND it gives you more travel than a spacer, which gives the shock more time to dampen the spring, making for a better ride.

the coil spring isn’t the limiting factor in the travel here. This isn’t a high end off road machine. It’s a heavy duty truck.

OP can we just see a pic of the dang truck? We’re arguing about a lift you may or may not even have.

 

[Crusty old shellback]

True that.
But there is a guy from Texas racing a 2500 Power wagon with a newer factory 6.4 under the hood. It was originally built by old man Carli. But he' since changed it up some with aftermarket suspension pieces from another manufacture. Taquache Motorsports

 

[elephantrider]

I got 2.5" rear springs with factory rates from pure performance. just fyi.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I got 2.5" rear springs with factory rates from pure performance. just fyi.

Thats great i have not seen any before that keep the OEM coil rate atleast someone is doing it unlike the softride stuff the big names are pushing

 

[elephantrider]

you do have to call. I don't think those were on the website to order. for what I yank around I couldn't lose any spring rate.