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That all makes good sense to me, particularly regarding the engine condition during the extra regen fuel injection. If the regen system injects the same amount at idle as at highway cruise, I cold see more likelihood for dilution. There have been a couple of situations where I had to shut down during an auto regen. Sometimes you can’t avoid it. I’ve started keeping better track of the hours and planning around an expected regen.

Are you checking dilution between oil changes? If so, how are you drawing a sample? Where do you get it tested?
I send my oil out for analysis at each change. I use Polaris Laboratories. They are the independent testing lab for both Cummins Inc. and Amsoil. You can buy the sample kits from Amsoil directly on their website, or buy them at your local Cummins service center. I like to pull a sample while my oil is hot, so I also installed an EZ oil drain valve in place of my standard oil pan plug. It makes pulling a sample clean, easy, and safe.
 

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mbarber8... when you switch your diesel fuel, did the truck begin to regin at a later distance right way or did it take few tanks.
Currently having the regen issue, every 50 to 150 miles. I've put in the correct Mopar air filter - Dealer has replaced the MAF with the Chinese version. I've confirmed the MAP sensor was not excessively sooty.
I've started to purchase diesel at Country Mark. Supposedly one of the better fuel to put in a diesel. I'm on my 3rd tank of fuel from country mark.

I drove on Thursday over 100 miles. All Highway. 55 to 60+ mph. The soot load went from 35 to 97. Then dropped to 95 as I got home. The odd think... the next morning it on a 15 minute drive (highway ) it dropped from 95 to 55.

Yesterday I picked up my 14,000 lb camper with the DPS showing 73% full. Pulled the camper about 50 miles home. When I parked the truck the DPF was showing 47%. This morning when I started it up it showed 25%. I'm wondering if I have a faulty sensor.
 

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mbarber8... when you switch your diesel fuel, did the truck begin to regin at a later distance right way or did it take few tanks.
Currently having the regen issue, every 50 to 150 miles. I've put in the correct Mopar air filter - Dealer has replaced the MAF with the Chinese version. I've confirmed the MAP sensor was not excessively sooty.
I've started to purchase diesel at Country Mark. Supposedly one of the better fuel to put in a diesel. I'm on my 3rd tank of fuel from country mark.

I drove on Thursday over 100 miles. All Highway. 55 to 60+ mph. The soot load went from 35 to 97. Then dropped to 95 as I got home. The odd think... the next morning it on a 15 minute drive (highway ) it dropped from 95 to 55.

Yesterday I picked up my 14,000 lb camper with the DPS showing 73% full. Pulled the camper about 50 miles home. When I parked the truck the DPF was showing 47%. This morning when I started it up it showed 25%. I'm wondering if I have a faulty sensor.
I would think that if your DPF got up to 97% it would have gone into an automatic regen. Mine will not get that high before it goes into regen. I think when they hit 100% you get the see dealer message.
 

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I have a ODB II reader that I monitor the DPF. The software records from 0 to 100%, but you are correct, the gauge on the dash only gets to 50% before going into regen. When the software reads 100% the dash only reads 50%
 

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I have a ODB II reader that I monitor the DPF. The software records from 0 to 100%, but you are correct, the gauge on the dash only gets to 50% before going into regen. When the software reads 100% the dash only reads 50%

The dash can also read 0% when the PID reads 100%. The PID goes off of both time and soot loading to show which ever is higher.

Your readings seem correct and not a faulty sensor. But you’re seeing why I think the software has some errors.

How long since your last active regen?
 

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The dash can also read 0% when the PID reads 100%. The PID goes off of both time and soot loading to show which ever is higher.

Your readings seem correct and not a faulty sensor. But you’re seeing why I think the software has some errors.

How long since your last active regen?
Thursday the 28. 100 miles after the prior Regen.
 

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I’ve been talking with the dealer. I would like the injectors checked and the DPF pressure sensor and tubes checked.
would love a way to test them myself.
 

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i didn’t know the pid jumping was normal. Seems odd to me.

When it’s based on soot loading it jumps around quite a bit. When it’s based on the 24 hour timer is steady, every 14.4 minutes it goes up 1%.

What I have noticed is that under passive regen conducive driving, 24 hour regens, soot drives the PID output until around 10-12 hours, then time takes over and it stops bouncing. When you have good passive regen in the first 10-12 hours the % the PID drops to after a restart is usually correlated to hours and then the bouncing begins.

Also, after an active regen when you shut down and start up again (as close as possible to the end of the regen), after a minimum of 10 minutes off, that % will tell you how clean the DPF got during the regen. If I’ve been towing for hours and a regen hits while towing I’ve seen the % be as low as 6% after a startup, but if I haven’t been towing as much it’s usually 12-20%. The higher it is after an active regen the quicker my dash DPF gauge shows soot loading if I’m just using the truck around town.

Low rpm and lower load is where I see the PID % bounce the most. That’s where I think the error in the tables is at. The higher the airflow the more accurate the PID appears to me. That’s just a SOP feeling, nothing else.
 

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I’ve been talking with the dealer. I would like the injectors checked and the DPF pressure sensor and tubes checked.
would love a way to test them myself.
For what it's worth, I've run the gamut with my '22 HO CTD. I drive 80:20 highway/town, tow regularly and had no regen problems until about 20,000 miles, then constant regens like you're experiencing, with equally constant fuel dilution of my crankcase. Here's what the dealership tried (including at least three STAR cases): replaced the MAFS, no change; replaced the boost tube, no change; did the fuel system check and injectors were fine, no change; pulled and inspected the fuel pump, found no issues with the O-ring and reinstalled, still no change; replaced the DPF and voila'! I've had two 24 hr regen cycles and the EVIC DPF screen stays at zero until about 19 engine hours then hovers around 10% until the 24 hour timed regen kicks in.

I don't know if it's fixed, but it seems to work as intended now. I'm very fortunate to have the dealership techs that I have. It's a smalltown dealer and the service manager is also the main mechanic, as well as a personal friend. I urge you to share my experience with your dealership and insist that they opening as many STAR cases as it takes to at least get to where I am.
 

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mbarber8... when you switch your diesel fuel, did the truck begin to regin at a later distance right way or did it take few tanks.
Currently having the regen issue, every 50 to 150 miles. I've put in the correct Mopar air filter - Dealer has replaced the MAF with the Chinese version. I've confirmed the MAP sensor was not excessively sooty.
I've started to purchase diesel at Country Mark. Supposedly one of the better fuel to put in a diesel. I'm on my 3rd tank of fuel from country mark.

I drove on Thursday over 100 miles. All Highway. 55 to 60+ mph. The soot load went from 35 to 97. Then dropped to 95 as I got home. The odd think... the next morning it on a 15 minute drive (highway ) it dropped from 95 to 55.

Yesterday I picked up my 14,000 lb camper with the DPS showing 73% full. Pulled the camper about 50 miles home. When I parked the truck the DPF was showing 47%. This morning when I started it up it showed 25%. I'm wondering if I have a faulty sensor.
On my regeneration data spreadsheet below, the red arrow indicates when I switched fuel stations. You’ll see that the next regeneration after switching was very short interval, but the truck progressively improved afterwords. If I remember correctly, the truck was already at about 25% soot load when the new fuel was introduced, so it wasn’t a complete fresh start. After switching the truck has improved substantially. I spoke with the fuel specialist for the local chain that supplies the fuel to that station and confirmed it is indeed B2 (2% biodiesel 98% petroleum diesel) with the BP invigorate additives added prior to the fuel being delivered. My truck has done a 24 hour Regen repeatedly now with little or no soot ever registering on the DPF gauge. The truck sees pretty much the same drive cycles every week, so driving conditions really do not change, outside of environmental things like temperature and rain. I see good passive regeneration regularly on the highway. Rain is the only thing that does seem to drive up soot loading some now, as it cools down the DPF and makes it harder for the system to keep the heat constant. I’m usually unloaded all the time, so the truck isn’t “working” too hard. I would assume my temperatures are just over the threshold for when passive regeneration becomes effective. Very thankful to have figured it out. IMG_5855.jpeg
 

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When it’s based on soot loading it jumps around quite a bit. When it’s based on the 24 hour timer is steady, every 14.4 minutes it goes up 1%.

What I have noticed is that under passive regen conducive driving, 24 hour regens, soot drives the PID output until around 10-12 hours, then time takes over and it stops bouncing. When you have good passive regen in the first 10-12 hours the % the PID drops to after a restart is usually correlated to hours and then the bouncing begins.

Also, after an active regen when you shut down and start up again (as close as possible to the end of the regen), after a minimum of 10 minutes off, that % will tell you how clean the DPF got during the regen. If I’ve been towing for hours and a regen hits while towing I’ve seen the % be as low as 6% after a startup, but if I haven’t been towing as much it’s usually 12-20%. The higher it is after an active regen the quicker my dash DPF gauge shows soot loading if I’m just using the truck around town.

Low rpm and lower load is where I see the PID % bounce the most. That’s where I think the error in the tables is at. The higher the airflow the more accurate the PID appears to me. That’s just a SOP feeling, nothing else.
That corresponds with I’ve seen. After my last active the PID showed 50.2%. It ended right before I got home. When I restarted a few hours later it showed 28.63.


Saw the same during a passive regen when I pulled my fifth wheel home yesterday. Dropped from 97% to 47.5%

Yes, yesterday I drove it about 100 miles. Some city mostly highway. Took it from 28.63 to 97. Hooked up my camper and drove home.

This morning when it started the PID showed 25.1%.

But, my 25 mile interstate drive increased it back to 51.76

Later, the same drive but back home started at 36% and ended at 55%.
 

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On my regeneration data spreadsheet below, the red arrow indicates when I switched fuel stations. You’ll see that the next regeneration after switching was very short interval, but the truck progressively improved afterwords. If I remember correctly, the truck was already at about 25% soot load when the new fuel was introduced, so it wasn’t a complete fresh start. After switching the truck has improved substantially. I spoke with the fuel specialist for the local chain that supplies the fuel to that station and confirmed it is indeed B2 (2% biodiesel 98% petroleum diesel) with the BP invigorate additives added prior to the fuel being delivered. My truck has done a 24 hour Regen repeatedly now with little or no soot ever registering on the DPF gauge. The truck sees pretty much the same drive cycles every week, so driving conditions really do not change, outside of environmental things like temperature and rain. I see good passive regeneration regularly on the highway. Rain is the only thing that does seem to drive up soot loading some now, as it cools down the DPF and makes it harder for the system to keep the heat constant. I’m usually unloaded all the time, so the truck isn’t “working” too hard. I would assume my temperatures are just over the threshold for when passive regeneration becomes effective. Very thankful to have figured it out. View attachment 71224
Thanks for the table. Invigorate. That is BPcorrect?
 

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For what it's worth, I've run the gamut with my '22 HO CTD. I drive 80:20 highway/town, tow regularly and had no regen problems until about 20,000 miles, then constant regens like you're experiencing, with equally constant fuel dilution of my crankcase. Here's what the dealership tried (including at least three STAR cases): replaced the MAFS, no change; replaced the boost tube, no change; did the fuel system check and injectors were fine, no change; pulled and inspected the fuel pump, found no issues with the O-ring and reinstalled, still no change; replaced the DPF and voila'! I've had two 24 hr regen cycles and the EVIC DPF screen stays at zero until about 19 engine hours then hovers around 10% until the 24 hour timed regen kicks in.

I don't know if it's fixed, but it seems to work as intended now. I'm very fortunate to have the dealership techs that I have. It's a smalltown dealer and the service manager is also the main mechanic, as well as a personal friend. I urge you to share my experience with your dealership and insist that they opening as many STAR cases as it takes to at least get to where I am.
Thanks for the info. I will share this.
 

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Thanks for the table. Invigorate. That is BPcorrect?
Yes the chain locally is “Coen” but they were mostly all BP and Amoco stations. Coen recently has been changing their branding over to fully Amoco, but the “invigorate” additive is still being touted under that brand.
 

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Follow up to post #191. Yesterday morning the EVIC was at 10 -12% upon startup, it then went to 30ish on the trip to my jobsite. I hauled 2 loads of gravel in my dump trailer and marveled at the passive regen taking it down to zero. I haven't seen that in a long time. I'm doing a 200 mile+ round trip material run towing my equipment trailer tomorrow, and you know I'll be watching that screen like a hawk.
 

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I made a towing run yesterday for 57 miles total. EVIC was on 25% at the start and dropped to 0 in the first 20 miles or so. Still like 5 hours reaching the 24 hour time based active regen. It has took me about a month and a half to get to 19 hours since the last regen.
 

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Follow up to post #191. Yesterday morning the EVIC was at 10 -12% upon startup, it then went to 30ish on the trip to my jobsite. I hauled 2 loads of gravel in my dump trailer and marveled at the passive regen taking it down to zero. I haven't seen that in a long time. I'm doing a 200 mile+ round trip material run towing my equipment trailer tomorrow, and you know I'll be watching that screen like a hawk.
Now the real test will be: does it passively regenerate on the highway when it’s unloaded?

Hopefully that answer is an emphatic YES
 

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Your dealer not too truthful with the Biodiesel claim. I’ve been using Renewable diesel since new on my ‘22 with 16,000+ miles. No issues and my regens are aligned with the 24hr engine counter. Usually around 950 miles between regens. Matter of fact my DPF guage has not moved from zero on this current engine hour time and I’m coming up on my 24hrs in 3 hrs.

Maybe my truck is a unicorn to this point, but finally got all my recalls done and nothing changed.
Where is the hour meter for the DPF? I have never seen anything remotely close to that?
 

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