Hemi vs Cummins

[Poolmonkey]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, given the lack of details on your part. But comparing 2500's to 1500's is not really apples to apples.

Not sure what details are necessary to spell out what should be a given, that a heavier front end will not wheel as nicely as a light one...and that a rear designed to carry huge payload will suck vs one that isn't, for that matter.
Didn't mention 1/2 tons as testimony to something that should also be a known, that HD ride is lousy vs 1/2...more in passing while opinion-ing that in my lengthy experience bouncing around in the full spectrum of wheelers during over 40 years of wheeling for hunting, not for fun, from lil' to big, the worst rides ever were in two diesels.
IMO, IMO...IMO.
I do agree to disagree for sure, Bud...

 

[ClawSS]

I don't tow or haul...just wanna look good and have a little money left for the honeys. HEMI for the win. No diesel smell either. I am not a fan of any 1500 exterior design (1500 Ram included) and sure not choosing what GM offered although the new interior is getting better.

 

[MegaStro]

A little lower on this fill up but still plugging away at 19.6 MPG in the Cummins. Hot weather means remote start a few minutes before leaving work.... Evic says 266.5 miles at @ 20.7, real number is 266.5 miles with 13.6 gallons = 19.6 MPG

SMH, he is calling me a liar... So be it, I always heard of the Blue Falcon, thought they were going extinct and then boom! WX shows up! I cant figure out how to track and add my fuel filters, DEF, registration, tires, wipers, washer fluid, toll fees, bathroom breaks, coffee, Mountain Dew, Monster, or snacks to my MPG!

A little lower on this fill up but still plugging away at 19.6 MPG in the Cummins. Hot weather means remote start a few minutes before leaving work.... Evic says 266.5 miles at @ 20.7, real number is 266.5 miles with 13.6 gallons = 19.6 MPG

 

[jebruns]

I don't tow or haul...just wanna look good and have a little money left for the honeys. HEMI for the win. No diesel smell either. I am not a fan of any 1500 exterior design (1500 Ram included) and sure not choosing what GM offered although the new interior is getting better.

There is no diesel smell with modern stock Ram Cummins. Just sayin'.

 

[ClawSS]

There is no diesel smell with modern stock Ram Cummins. Just sayin'.

Cool, seems that all I smell at the pumps when other guys are fueling around me. So you have no-smell diesel at your pumps?

 

[sanda]

Cool, seems that all I smell at the pumps when other guys are fueling around me. So you have no-smell diesel at your pumps?

It's the oil spills at the pumps by the rookie diesel drivers that piss me off. They should have to clean up their own hazardous waste. Step in that and track it everywhere you walk.

 

[jebruns]

Cool, seems that all I smell at the pumps when other guys are fueling around me. So you have no-smell diesel at your pumps?

Every now and then if you pull into a pump where someone made a mess, you can smell the diesel fuel. But it's pretty unusual outside of truck stops.

But I was talking about tailpipe diesel smell. My wife is sensitive to it, so when she realized my 18 Ram doesn't "stink", she asked we could add a DEF system to our diesel pusher and JD tractor. My older diesel HD trucks would stink up a garage on a cold morning. Not the case anymore though.

 

[ClawSS]

Every now and then if you pull into a pump where someone made a mess, you can smell the diesel fuel. But it's pretty unusual outside of truck stops.

But I was talking about tailpipe diesel smell. My wife is sensitive to it, so when she realized my 18 Ram doesn't "stink", she asked we could add a DEF system to our diesel pusher and JD tractor. My older diesel HD trucks would stink up a garage on a cold morning. Not the case anymore though.

Yeah, I was being obtuse. No worries. I just know from experience that you do NOT hold the nozzle when fueling or you'll drag the odor into the cab. Gloves can be worn but must be kept outside the cab area when removed....etc. etc. Secondarily, with all my previous vehicles for personal use being gassers, I would foresee my wife hitting the wrong pump out of habit.

 

[jebruns]

Yeah, I was being obtuse. No worries. I just know from experience that you do NOT hold the nozzle when fueling or you'll drag the odor into the cab. Gloves can be worn but must be kept outside the cab area when removed....etc. etc. Secondarily, with all my previous vehicles for personal use being gassers, I would foresee my wife hitting the wrong pump out of habit.

The gloves at the pump for diesel used to be a thing, no doubt. But I guess folks have learned over the years, as it's unusual to find that these days (again, outside of busy truck stops). I mostly fill my diesels up at Sam's Club and those pumps and pump handles are always clean.

But yeah, putting regular gas in a diesel is an expensive mistake.

 

[Brutal_HO]

A box of cheap nitrile gloves (or a grip full in the rear door pocket) are useful for so many things...

 

[sanda]

A box of cheap nitrile gloves (or a grip full in the rear door pocket) are useful for so many things...

But its a little tough to have to put on a pair of irrigation boots to wade through the diesel spill.

 

[Brutal_HO]

But its a little tough to have to put on a pair of irrigation boots to wade through the diesel spill.

Well you're not a real trucker if you don't have a pair of muck boots handy. LOL

 

[Jsboening]

Every now and then if you pull into a pump where someone made a mess, you can smell the diesel fuel. But it's pretty unusual outside of truck stops.

But I was talking about tailpipe diesel smell. My wife is sensitive to it, so when she realized my 18 Ram doesn't "stink", she asked we could add a DEF system to our diesel pusher and JD tractor. My older diesel HD trucks would stink up a garage on a cold morning. Not the case anymore though.

Out of curiosity, have you had any issues with the emissions system on you John Deere. I’ve been considering selling my 3720 for a new 3046r. The salesman fire one up in the garage WITH THE GAEAGE DOOR SHUT and it didn’t stink at all. When I fire up my 3720 I can’t get it out of the garage fast enough for my wife. Just wondering if they’ve got the kinks worked out.

 

[ClawSS]

Well you're not a real trucker if you don't have a pair of muck boots handy. LOL

Stuffed upside down between the bed and the cab, am I right?

 

[jebruns]

Out of curiosity, have you had any issues with the emissions system on you John Deere. I’ve been considering selling my 3720 for a new 3046r. The salesman fire one up in the garage WITH THE GAEAGE DOOR SHUT and it didn’t stink at all. When I fire up my 3720 I can’t get it out of the garage fast enough for my wife. Just wondering if they’ve got the kinks worked out.

Our JD does not have DEF. One of the last ones, I guess. So no emission systems I'm aware of.

 

[OldJeepsNewTrucks]

Stuffed upside down between the bed and the cab, am I right?

That's where I keep my Cajun reeboks

 

[chas0218]

I crunched some numbers today just for the mere sake of crunching numbers. I'm sure this has been done before. But here it is:
With today's gas prices on google, I found Us avg price of gas to be $3.38/gal and diesel to be $3.62/gal. And let's say the gas truck gets 15 mpg and the diesel gets 20 mpg. this is obviously pulled out of my a$$ and not taking into account any towing, especially anything heavy. just driving.

$3.38/15mpg for gas gives a price of 0.225 per mile
$3.62/20mpg for diesel gives a price of 0.181 per mile

So a gas truck costs $22,500 (in fuel alone) to drive 100,000 miles
A diesel truck costs $18,100 (in fuel alone) to drive 100,000 miles

$22,500 - $18,100 = $4,400

that's a $4400 difference costing more to drive the gas truck every 100,000 miles (in fuel alone)

But let's not forget, today's price for identical Ram trucks, it costs $9400 more to get the diesel (not H.O.)

$9400/$4400 = 2.14

2.14 x 100,000 miles = 214,000 miles

214,000 x .225 = $48,150 for gas
214,000 x .181 = $38,7334 + $9400 = $48,134 for diesel

You have to drive a diesel truck 214,000 miles until an identical truck with gas engine costs the same out of pocket on fuel and sticker together to also drive 214,00 miles for all things to be equal.

Of course, not all things are equal. The diesel will get much better mpg when towing. so let's round the whole thing down to 175,000 miles being the break even point for gas/diesel costs.

But then again, diesels need DEF. I don't know how much it is, but that's an expense that goes 100% to the diesel. So let's round it back up to 200,000 miles being the break even point.

And lastly every 5000 miles a truck needs an oil change. 200,000 miles. each truck has needed 40 oil changes.
40 x $150 for diesel = $6,000
40 x $75 for gas = $3,000

Oil change numbers also pulled from my a$$. not gonna figure all that in again.

But there you have it, to run a diesel truck ~200,000 miles is the break even point to run an identical gas truck same distance when it comes to money spent. Are you going to keep your diesel for 200,000 miles?

The diesel is obviously an upgrade. It's better at pulling, strength, longevity and resale...all that. So if that's what you are gonna do, then get the diesel. If you're not going to tow at all, or very little, get the diesel anyway but keep it for a quarter million miles so you can say it was the smarter decision financially.

Very nice breakdown and makes me a lot happier knowing i bought a gasser. I'm likely trading mine in 6 or 7 years with 60k-70k miles so diesel isn't worth the added costs upfront or down the road.

 

[jebruns]

Very nice breakdown and makes me a lot happier knowing i night a gasser. I'm likely trading mine in 6 or 7 years with 60k-70k miles so diesel isn't worth the added costs upfront or down the road.

A flawed breakdown though. Diesels do not get 5K oil changes. Recommended is 15K. And he never figured in how much more the diesel will be worth at sale/trade in time. He mentioned it, but didn't calculate it in. The diesel option will retain it's value much better than the rest of the truck. Not putting down gassers, just saying there is more to it than what you quoted.

 

[chas0218]

A flawed breakdown though. Diesels do not get 5K oil changes. Recommended is 15K. And he never figured in how much more the diesel will be worth at sale/trade in time. He mentioned it, but didn't calculate it in. The diesel option will retain it's value much better than the rest of the truck. Not putting down gassers, just saying there is more to it than what you quoted.

Yes you recoup the diesel price when selling but you must pay for it up front. He also didn't calculate the $150 in fuel filters and DEF so it's a wash in terms of oil changes. Also the cost of injectors diesel vs gas and numerous other things on diesels that are much more money to maintain or fix. Unfortunately diesels have become more of a cool trend than being bought for a purpose.

I have nothing against diesels or anyone that owns one, i just know if i needed to i could fix my gasser vs a diesel. Only diesels i know are tractors.

 

[Brutal_HO]

It seems this thread is just circling the drain with the same statements repeated countless times...