If we keep absolutely everything in private with a naviks rep with brutals suggestion of an online code or just hey pass the word on your forum, code is bigdaddy38, and everybody call in to naviks individually, so all sales are 100% private and still listed as individual sales so no return policy or warranty is affected. So they are willing to take $75 off for a 10 person commitment, if they are willing to go to $110 off with 15 person commitment and we handle everything on a individual sale basis with a group discount code, than I would be interested. I don't see this happening, but just throwing it out there. 10 will probably be hard enough to get let alone 15.