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Automatic Regen too often

Likely the new air filter having lower restriction than the older dirty filter. I have noticed that any sudden change in intake air quality or quantity seems to throw the system into disarray and the system tries to get ahead of it and causes a regen to try to protect the system. I had been running my truck with some of the AGS slats removed from the shutter assembly. Decided to put them back in and the DPF gauge went from zero to regen in 27 miles with no other changes. So I took them back out and the next regen was was sooner than the last one. The following regen was back on the 24 hour timed regen with zero on the DPF gauge start to finish.

The point Im trying to make is that anything that changes regardless of how insignificant it seems, throws the system into protection mode and starts regening to keep it from stopping up. Some DPF’s are actually getting blocked with more soot and some are not.

Just my personal observations.
That may have been partially due to the way the truck (and the MAF) “learn” or “adjust”. Rams own document on P2459 clearly state that, depending on how the truck is driven, it may take thousands of miles for it to adjust when a different style air filter, a new MAF, or other intake system are installed.
 
Ford went to the 9th injector model on the 23 and newer powerstroke. I’m not sure if the fuel dilution issues are present on the 23 and newer trucks or just the 22 and older 6.7s.
Ahh how the story continues. I could’ve sworn they had an injector downstream.
The Ford regeneration strategy is WAY more aggressive. To me, it seems like they are programmed to regenerate far more frequently from what I’ve seen.
What is more aggressive about their regens? It’s my understanding they regen every 500 miles so I suppose I might consider that somewhat more aggressive. On the other hand, the operator can control when it goes into regen (if the option is enabled) and it’s sounding like the newer ones have an injector downstream which I would think would help with diluted oil. It would be great to not start a regen 10 miles from my house on my way home from work and start the regen after it has been warmed up so the regen could be more effective the next day or long drive. This thread is at 64 pages now so I’m assuming most here don’t make it to 500 miles let alone the Rams designed 24hr regen. There’s plenty of people out there that don’t have the problem and aren’t on here but I also know owners that have the problem that aren’t on here. It might sound like I’m standing up for the psd but I’m not and I still enjoy my truck. Cummins all the way. I’m simply gathering information. I’m sure my issue is somewhat produced from the way I drive (mostly highway and 12% idle) but there’s a lot of instances that make me sometimes think otherwise. I trailered my TT over 200 miles all highway and 20 miles after I unhook it, it’s ready to regen again. I have since gotten a monitor so I can now look at much more data and it’s very eye opening.
I have a few farmer friends with F350 powerjokes, mostly 2020 or newer model years. Their trucks seem to be in regeneration mode all the time.
Do they like them and do they seem to mind their regen frequency? I’ve seen a few threads in their forums and the ones that I’ve briefly looked at they seem to be of the mindset of it is what it is. We have new F450s at work. They definitely regen a fair amount but I don’t pay as close attention to it since I’m not always using them. They also are carrying a good amount of weight behind them constantly which will help with to getting a good regen and the frequency of them. I like the Ram interior a lot more. Sure it’s not the equivalent trim but the dash, doors etc have cleaner lines in the Ram.
 
Ahh how the story continues. I could’ve sworn they had an injector downstream.

What is more aggressive about their regens? It’s my understanding they regen every 500 miles so I suppose I might consider that somewhat more aggressive. On the other hand, the operator can control when it goes into regen (if the option is enabled) and it’s sounding like the newer ones have an injector downstream which I would think would help with diluted oil. It would be great to not start a regen 10 miles from my house on my way home from work and start the regen after it has been warmed up so the regen could be more effective the next day or long drive. This thread is at 64 pages now so I’m assuming most here don’t make it to 500 miles let alone the Rams designed 24hr regen. There’s plenty of people out there that don’t have the problem and aren’t on here but I also know owners that have the problem that aren’t on here. It might sound like I’m standing up for the psd but I’m not and I still enjoy my truck. Cummins all the way. I’m simply gathering information. I’m sure my issue is somewhat produced from the way I drive (mostly highway and 12% idle) but there’s a lot of instances that make me sometimes think otherwise. I trailered my TT over 200 miles all highway and 20 miles after I unhook it, it’s ready to regen again. I have since gotten a monitor so I can now look at much more data and it’s very eye opening.

Do they like them and do they seem to mind their regen frequency? I’ve seen a few threads in their forums and the ones that I’ve briefly looked at they seem to be of the mindset of it is what it is. We have new F450s at work. They definitely regen a fair amount but I don’t pay as close attention to it since I’m not always using them. They also are carrying a good amount of weight behind them constantly which will help with to getting a good regen and the frequency of them. I like the Ram interior a lot more. Sure it’s not the equivalent trim but the dash, doors etc have cleaner lines in the Ram.

There is no better vehicle right now its all personal preference. The DPF system in all the trucks is the issue and they all are having major issues. My buddy has a 2023 GMC 3500 and he blew a boost hose the other day. When they went to fix it they found his DPF plugged full and could not be cleaned it was that bad. No CEL no warning left him on top of a mountain with camper and trailer.
 
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There is no better vehicle right now its all personal preference. The DPF system in all the trucks is the issue and they all are having major issues. My buddy has a 2023 GMC 3500 and he blew a boost hose the other day. When the went to fix it the found his DPF plugged full and could not be cleaned it was that bad. No CEL no warning left him on top of a mountain with camper and trailer.

I have a friend that's had nothing but trouble with his dirtymax. Plugged/replaced DPF, DEF issues, etc.
 
There is no better vehicle right now it’s all personal preference. The DPF system in all the trucks is the issue and they all are having major issues. My buddy has a 2023 GMC 3500 and he blew a boost hose the other day. When the went to fix it the found his DPF plugged full and could not be cleaned it was that bad. No CEL no warning left him on top of a mountain with camper and trailer.
I agree, they all have their own issues and for a lot of people it comes down to brand loyalty. They all have pretty similar quality and amount of issues. That’s horrible about your friend. How did he get back?
 
I have a friend that's had nothing but trouble with his dirtymax. Plugged/replaced DPF, DEF issues, etc.
Same. Know a guy with a duramax that had all injectors replaced within the first year of ownership.
 
I agree, they all have their own issues and for a lot of people it comes down to brand loyalty. They all have pretty similar quality and amount of issues. That’s horrible about your friend. How did he get back?

he drove it to the nearest dealership at 15mph lol.
 
Heard at the dealership they are getting reports of DOC failures. Media is buring out and failing. I'll see what more info I can get.
I just checked the NHTSA’s website under manufacturer communications for 2022 Ram 3500’s. Nothing on the DOC. Some other recent stuff from this month though. Could be so new it didn’t get uploaded yet.
 
I just checked the NHTSA’s website under manufacturer communications for 2022 Ram 3500’s. Nothing on the DOC. Some other recent stuff from this month though. Could be so new it didn’t get uploaded yet.

They said it was the first mention of it and would go with DPFs buring out as well.
 
has anyone compared parts between a 21 and a 22? like are the sensors the same? something changed between the two. did the 22's get the cp4? Where the 21's had the cp3? something changed. then why did it seem to settle back down in the 23's?
 
19 and 20 where the CP4 years, IIRC. Agreed, something changed. But it could just be software.
 
That CP4 ship has sailed off into the sunset never to return.

IOW, that's crazy talk. LOL.
 
Left for some supplies this morning….

65°F and light rain
DPF % REG pid was at 83% on startup
Less than three miles later, DPF % REG was at 100% and auto regen initiated.
Truck struggled to reach 1000°F at EGT 2 and 3, taking half the regen cycle before that temperature was achieved. Regen ran the usual 21 minutes and 24 miles on the interstate to complete. Truck sat for about an hour at the lumber yard after finishing the regen. DPF % REG was at 11% upon restart. Traveled a whopping 1 mile and it’s already at 17%.

Drive cycles this time were mostly the same but did get caught in some slow traffic the other day on the interstate. Still not enough I would think to drive the regen cycle to half the distance of the previous one. IMG_8394.jpeg
 
Left for some supplies this morning….

65°F and light rain
DPF % REG pid was at 83% on startup
Less than three miles later, DPF % REG was at 100% and auto regen initiated.
Truck struggled to reach 1000°F at EGT 2 and 3, taking half the regen cycle before that temperature was achieved. Regen ran the usual 21 minutes and 24 miles on the interstate to complete. Truck sat for about an hour at the lumber yard after finishing the regen. DPF % REG was at 11% upon restart. Traveled a whopping 1 mile and it’s already at 17%.

Drive cycles this time were mostly the same but did get caught in some slow traffic the other day on the interstate. Still not enough I would think to drive the regen cycle to half the distance of the previous one. View attachment 77615


It is just crazy that nothing is consistent. They should be inspecting my DOC today with a camera I'll see what photos they send me.
 
Left for some supplies this morning….

65°F and light rain
DPF % REG pid was at 83% on startup
Less than three miles later, DPF % REG was at 100% and auto regen initiated.
Truck struggled to reach 1000°F at EGT 2 and 3, taking half the regen cycle before that temperature was achieved. Regen ran the usual 21 minutes and 24 miles on the interstate to complete. Truck sat for about an hour at the lumber yard after finishing the regen. DPF % REG was at 11% upon restart. Traveled a whopping 1 mile and it’s already at 17%.

Drive cycles this time were mostly the same but did get caught in some slow traffic the other day on the interstate. Still not enough I would think to drive the regen cycle to half the distance of the previous one. View attachment 77615
Mine acted crazy this morning. Left home with the DPF gauge on zero and 80% on the SG. SG jumped to 99% and truck went into regen in about 10 miles after leaving home. Wife had a Dr appointment so I dropped her off and got back to the interstate and got it finished. I don’t think I got a real good regen though with all of the stopping and starting. SG dropped down to 7.8 after I stopped for a while but it’s already back up to 32% after driving for only a few minutes. I was going to do an oil change after the regen but I may do a parked regen first. Had 20 hours and 644 miles in this cycle but a good bit of idling messing with the new SG III. Time on the SG and the EVIC did not line up when the regen occurred. The SG lost about an hour and a half recently and I don’t know if it was from having the key on not running and the EVIC recorded it as idling and the SG was running off of the regen timer in the ECM. IDK
 
Mine acted crazy this morning. Left home with the DPF gauge on zero and 80% on the SG. SG jumped to 99% and truck went into regen in about 10 miles after leaving home. Wife had a Dr appointment so I dropped her off and got back to the interstate and got it finished. I don’t think I got a real good regen though with all of the stopping and starting. SG dropped down to 7.8 after I stopped for a while but it’s already back up to 32% after driving for only a few minutes. I was going to do an oil change after the regen but I may do a parked regen first. Had 20 hours and 644 miles in this cycle but a good bit of idling messing with the new SG III. Time on the SG and the EVIC did not line up when the regen occurred. The SG lost about an hour and a half recently and I don’t know if it was from having the key on not running and the EVIC recorded it as idling and the SG was running off of the regen timer in the ECM. IDK
OLEJOE, You don't have to start and run the engine during setup, just set the ignition on run then just tap the SG3 and it will light up and you can do whatever you need to. If you stop doing anything with it for a seconds it will shut down. I quit running the engine when doing any setup, moving or changing PID's etc. After a regen like my last one it was down to 8.63%, when I cold started the next day and drove it it went up to 30+%, then the next day cold start it was 15+% give or take (short trips), don't recall for sure. In a previous post with with a trip monitoring both, all the pictures of the dash with SGII, it was showing 45% at 18 hours on the SG, then went to 0 and stayed there with 22 hours on the clock at the end of the trip. A couple days later when I drove it with the 22 hours to 23+ hours it went into regen, and the dash gauge remained at 0 the whole time. I'm not experiencing frequent regens, so maybe there's a reason to monitor both, but for me I would think it adds to the confusion of what going on!
 
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OLEJOE, You don't have to start and run the engine during setup, just set the ignition on run then just tap the SG3 and it will light up and you can do whatever you need to. If you stop doing anything with it for a seconds it will shut down. I quit running the engine when doing any setup, moving or changing PID's etc. After a regen like my last one it was down to 8.63%, when I cold started the next day and drove it it went up to 30+%, then the next day cold start it was 15+% give or take (short trips), don't recall for sure. In a previous post with with a trip monitoring both, all the pictures of the dash with SGII, it was showing 45% at 18 hours on the SG, then went to 0 and stayed there with 22 hours on the clock at the end of the trip. A couple days later when I drove it with the 22 hours to 23+ hours it went into regen, and the dash gauge remained at 0 the whole time. I'm not experiencing frequent regens, so maybe there's a reason to monitor both, but for me I would think it adds to the confusion of what going on!
This was my first regen using the SG III and it was kinda weird watching the Soot Load % go up like it did and getting the alert when the Regen State went from off to on. Also watching the egt’s running 1000-1100 degrees. Around here you idle it because it’s 95 degrees in the shade. I did do the parked regen but nothing changed on the SG as far as soot load and it only lasted about 15 minutes. Idled up to around 1000 rpm but I wasn’t running the SG since I used the JScan to initiate it.
 
Went into regen today. 20 hours and almost 900 miles. It was weird though when it went into regen - soot load on evic was 12.5%. So I was surprised that it regened before 24 hours with the soot load so low. The marginally bigger tires do seem to help so far - only 2" taller but they weigh about 2.5x what the stock Firestone tires did.
 
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