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2022 Ram HD Builds and orders - Post and discuss your TRUCK order here! ** NEW USERS READ POST #1 **

DLittle said:
Dealer said I went D1 on 12/15 ordered 10/28. Ram chat said all items gathered and plant has sequenced order for production :)
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I hope your right. I ordered the same day, just a heavily loaded Limited. Haven't seen many in the process it seems like. I'll contact my dealer again on Thursday. That will be 8 weeks. Allowing 4 weeks for D1 to build and another 4 for shipping I will hit the promised 16 weeks. Hope it holds to my ambitious schedule.
 
I’m getting real tired of these emails from Jeff every day lol. Does anyone else get all these emails from Jeff about the ETA to dealer? The ETA also changes every single day which is annoying
 
CJM said:
I know I will get flack for writing the following, and so be it, but.........

The one I feel sorry for is the small town dealers! FCA's allocation system is putting them at such a disadvantage they are not able to compete
with the dealers that are selling over the internet. While dealers like Mark Dodge and others, discount prices and sell more trucks, it is making it harder
for the small dealers to order trucks. Personally, I think FCA should do away with the allocation system and just enter orders as ordered to allow smaller dealers
to get trucks and be able to compete against the bigger dealers. FCA will still sell the same number of trucks, it will just help spread sales to the small dealers.

I am not blaming people wanting to save a dollar. But, dealers such as Mark Dodge will discount the sale because they are never going to see you again, Once you leave
the lot they are basically done with you. They do not have to worry about any warranty or service work unless you are local. They people that drive 2000 miles to purchase
a truck will be the first ones expecting top notch service from the local dealer when they have problems. Many dealers are encountering problems with warranty work because
time allowed by FCA for warranty repairs are usually not enough to cover the actual mechanics time needed to do the repair. Again, I think the fix for this would be for FCA
to NOT allow sales out of a dealers given area. FCA did this between Canada & the USA, why can they not do it between Provinces & States?

The internet has done as much damage as it has done good. It's too bad because soon there will not be any small hometown businesses left, everything will just be ordered off the
internet from places like Amazon and such. I just wish that FCA had polocies that would allow the small volume dealers to be able to compete against the large volume dealers!
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Ok here is the flack but consider it a polite disagreement.
In Colorado at the few places I’ve been to they won’t go below MSRP and they say when I show them my quote that it’s BS or the dealer would be losing money. That is BS. So they’re lying.
Many dealers lie and they are ‘shady’ and my feeling towards this is that they shouldn’t be rewarded.
Dealerships make their money on service. The Chilton manual they use for the hours usually over estimates the time needed.
Small dealerships may also pay less for land, taxes and building costs. Why should they get the same pricing as others who pay much more?
 
Thebuilderman said:
Ok here is the flack but consider it a polite disagreement.
In Colorado at the few places I’ve been to they won’t go below MSRP and they say when I show them my quote that it’s BS or the dealer would be losing money. That is BS. So they’re lying.
Many dealers lie and they are ‘shady’ and my feeling towards this is that they shouldn’t be rewarded.
Dealerships make their money on service. The Chilton manual they use for the hours usually over estimates the time needed.
Small dealerships may also pay less for land, taxes and building costs. Why should they get the same pricing as others who pay much more?
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Back when I started looking I told 2 local dealers what MD quoted me. Both called me aliar to my face, then showed them the printed copy and they said I had faked the numbers. Guess who will never have to worry of seeing my lying face again. Didn't go thru MD, kinda wish I had after reading the last 800+ pages.
 
CforHD said:
This discussion may deserve to be in a separate thread but I disagree with a lot of the points here. Mark Dodge IS a small-town dealer and found a way of being competitive against the bigger dealer groups.

Warranty and service work is where dealers make most profit on new car sales. So it would be in their best interest to handle all that work instead of "being done with you". To that end, a number of folks had minor blemishes that Mark Dodge arranged to be taken care of at another dealership closer to home. I think this shows a true commitment to the customer instead of sheer profit.

You seem to be suggesting that small dealerships can't or incapable of using the internet; Mark Dodge corrosponds with most folks via email and phone. These are technologies that have been around many many decades. Its not like they have some well-designed internet ordering portal like Amazon... ANY dealership could do the same and have organic sales generated from sites like this (HDRams).

A small player like Mark Dodge decided to not play MSRP markup game and instead use volume to turn a buck along with steller cusromer service to hopefully have repeat business.

Banning sales across state lines would be anti-consumerism as it would lead to less competition and more increased dealer fees. And why stop at banning inter-state sales? Why not just sell direct to consumer like Tesla?
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This was VERY well said! All dealers could do this if they so choose. When my best Friend sold cars for a living he was making 150k/yr. Not bad. They are not doing poor and it is not ‘my poor dealer’. They could do more volume as this post suggests and then justifiably get more dealer allocation.
There is also that in some, perhaps many locations, for instance Castle Rock Colorado where dealers are rude, tell you your full of it even if you show them your quote AND straight out lie to you as does their service department. It seems many dealers in Colorado are rude at the very least. Maybe not all but many. They should not get our hard earned money.
I would gladly have paid $1000 maybe even $1500 more for the convenience of buying local. But if your rude, lie or are asking 5k and many times even more, well, that’s not worth it to me.
BTW, many dealers here have signs on their walls all over the place saying, “since we offer the best prices we won’t negotiate and if you negotiate we charge $595.” I’m serious! How ridiculous!
 
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JPNHigh said:
Window sticker populated today!

Ordered from Mark Dodge LA on 10.19.21. Looking forward to it arriving and driving it back to Virginia!

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I can't imagine what some of the older orders go through trying to do the mental gymnastics of figuring out how newer orders are built more quickly, etc. My 10/2 Mark Dodge Limited MegCab order is still gathering parts best RamChat knows. I don't have the HO engine but i do have sunroof on mine.

It's good to see Sconym's order and other older orders come through. Overall it seems like the ordering process is leveling out from a timing perspective for recent orders. Is it fair to say the factory timing seems to be near normal and it's the shipping that is delaying things more than in the past?
 
CforHD said:
This discussion may deserve to be in a separate thread but I disagree with a lot of the points here. Mark Dodge IS a small-town dealer and found a way of being competitive against the bigger dealer groups.

Warranty and service work is where dealers make most profit on new car sales. So it would be in their best interest to handle all that work instead of "being done with you". To that end, a number of folks had minor blemishes that Mark Dodge arranged to be taken care of at another dealership closer to home. I think this shows a true commitment to the customer instead of sheer profit.

You seem to be suggesting that small dealerships can't or incapable of using the internet; Mark Dodge corrosponds with most folks via email and phone. These are technologies that have been around many many decades. Its not like they have some well-designed internet ordering portal like Amazon... ANY dealership could do the same and have organic sales generated from sites like this (HDRams).

A small player like Mark Dodge decided to not play MSRP markup game and instead use volume to turn a buck along with steller cusromer service to hopefully have repeat business.

Banning sales across state lines would be anti-consumerism as it would lead to less competition and more increased dealer fees. And why stop at banning inter-state sales? Why not just sell direct to consumer like Tesla?
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Well put - I had forgotten that Mark Dodge was originally a relatively small town player who found a way to compete. And they are in an area devastated by a Hurricane a year ago and still in recovery mode.

And you confirmed the historical point that most dealers make more on Service (and Used Car Sales) than New Car Sales
 
kwick66 said:
@Thebuilderman Any updates on your truck being built today?
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WELLLLL. Yes there is an update. You should sit down for this one cuz you’re gonna be real surprised. My build date was changed from today to Wednesday. I’m sure you all didn’t see that coming.
Im actually hoping they do start the build soon. Not expecting that to happen though. Keeps me from getting my hopes up.
 
Ajbjorkman said:
I can't imagine what some of the older orders go through trying to do the mental gymnastics of figuring out how newer orders are built more quickly, etc. My 10/2 Mark Dodge Limited MegCab order is still gathering parts best RamChat knows. I don't have the HO engine but i do have sunroof on mine.

It's good to see Sconym's order and other older orders come through. Overall it seems like the ordering process is leveling out from a timing perspective for recent orders. Is it fair to say the factory timing seems to be near normal and it's the shipping that is delaying things more than in the past?
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I hear ya. My 10/25 order is also sitting in D status and I get frustrated seeing all of the orders after mine going D1 or getting built. Can't imagine what it feels like to have ordered in Jul or Aug with no progress.
 
ACEd said:
but a friend from the past who worked for Pontiac dealer claimed he could do warranty work in less than allocated time and make equivalent of 12+ hr in one day on Fiero warranty / recall.
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This is very accurate. Had a friend that was a GM tech and talked about this all the time. They knew how to turn 3 hour jobs in to 1 hour. By “prying” something a little to the left, they could get to whatever they needed.

Recalls and warranty work are guaranteed income for small dealers…so they should be happy that MD is selling so many trucks and sending them to their area for service.
 
99Cummins said:
The local dealers have EXACTLY the same ability/opportunity to order new trucks as Mark Dodge. MOST SIMPLY DO NOT WANT TO COMPETE. Before I ordered from Mark Dodge, I shopped all four of my local dealers (within ~50 miles). I told them I wanted to place an order for a new truck, and asked for their best deal. Three of them would not commit to anything less than full MSRP, and one offered invoice +$500.. I had bought 1 or more trucks from all three dealers that wouldn't go less than MSRP in the past. It's the individual dealers' choice how they want to conduct business.
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Well not exactly -

I would not believe that the local dealers can match the deals offered by a high volume dealer like Mark Dodge. There are a number of factors here, but the biggest is probably volume discounts / Holdbacks - and this is true in everything from Automobiles to Tires to Car Rentals to Paper Towels but it appears in various forms. The more you buy, the better price you get, the better floor plans, or in the case of Holdbacks, the more you get at year end. Thats where Sams and Walmart and Costco and Amazon make their money and undercut smaller operations.

But I dont disagree that yur local dealers could have done better than MSRP - particularly, since my local dealer honored Affiliate Pricing while many others were sticking to MSRP or worse adding $5000 Market Adjustment and refusing to accept my Affiliate Pricing request despite having gone thru Chrysler and being so approved.

Local Dealers might come close and I would (and did) buy locally when they were reasonable. But unfortunately some seem to see you coming for a $70-90k truck and assume deep pockets - I actually had one add the $5000 Market Adjustment after they found out my truck was totaled in the Hurricane and I had Insurance money and need the truck. Truck had been on Internet with Rebates below MSRP, then suddenly it was MSRP + $5000, but come in (3 hr drive) and maybe we can negotiate price.
 
Surf2snow1 said:
This is very accurate. Had a friend that was a GM tech and talked about this all the time. They knew how to turn 3 hour jobs in to 1 hour. By “prying” something a little to the left, they could get to whatever they needed.

Recalls and warranty work are guaranteed income for small dealers…so they should be happy that MD is selling so many trucks and sending them to their area for service.
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I was not going to go into details - but yes - that is exactly what he was doing - he had found a way to doing the specific recall job without removing / disconnecting parts per Recall Instructions but rather prying / bending things out of the way. Dealer looked the other way and was happy to take their cut off the top and pay him for work.

Maybe not all like that, but I got charged over $100 to update the UConnect software after 36k miles so that I could update Maps software (also $100 + new maps) - claimed they had to charge that because it took over an hour to download the update off Internet and another 45 minutes to install in Truck (hint Plug in USB drive while truck is running then come back in 30-45 min to see if its done - all while burning my fuel).

Based on that and my previous Ford experience, I think Service Departments are pretty healthy revenue sources.
 
Thebuilderman said:
This was VERY well said! All dealers could do this if they so choose. When my best Friend sold cars for a living he was making 150k/yr. Not bad. They are not doing poor and it is not ‘my poor dealer’. They could do more volume as this post suggests and then justifiably get more dealer allocation.
There is also that in some, perhaps many locations, for instance Castle Rock Colorado where dealers are rude, tell you your full of it even if you show them your quote AND straight out lie to you as does their service department. It seems many dealers in Colorado are rude at the very least. Maybe not all but many. They should not get our hard earned money.
I would gladly have paid $1000 maybe even $1500 more for the convenience of buying local. But if your rude, lie or are asking 5k and many times even more, well, that’s not worth it to me.
BTW, many dealers here have signs on their walls all over the place saying, “since we offer the best prices we won’t negotiate and if you negotiate we charge $595.” I’m serious! How ridiculous!
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Your last two sentences say it all. I wouldn't be walking away as I was laughing, I would be running. Really makes me wonder how a dealer like that stays in business.

About 20 years ago I run into a few Harley Davidson dealers that had that same attitude. I haven't bought a Harley product since. As you can see their sales have dropped off considerably here in the U.S. When the customer is no longer number one, who needs them.
 
MrTaz said:
Not much has changed. I saw a Limited dually in the Fort Lauderdale/Miami area marked up to $103,000 last week. In September I bought a 2021 Longhorn 1500 for $1000 under MSRP from Cape Coral. I have a Limited dually on order from another dealer and when it comes in I will be trading the 1500 Longhorn in on that. Florida isn't a good place to buy a truck.
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No, I’m lucky Tyler told me about Mark Dodge. Inventory in Jacksonville is horrible.


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For you Canadian guys (I'm in BC Lower Mainland):
I ordered August 19 a Bighorn CCSB 6.7 SO 3500 4x4 in maximum steel Metallic. Truck was built Nov 28 and is supposedly being shipped now. Salesman said to expect the truck in February. I'm sure this is more about managing expectations and I hope to get the truck a bit earlier. I paid MSRP. Dealer sales manager called to confirm I would take delivery before he had the factory ship the truck. I was told the truck could fetch $10k over invoice price at a dealer WHOLESALE auction. If you think you are going to get invoice pricing on these trucks now in Canada at least, you are kidding yourself.

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