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[CJM]

Save a dollar? So i should give my local dealer $10k dollars because they won't budge off of msrp for me to order what I want? SMH

Shake your head all you want!

If you would have read my post I said "I am not blaming people for wanting to save a dollar".

All I was trying to get across is that FCA should help make your local dealer more competitive!
How many Heavy Duty Trucks does Mark Dodge get allocated compared to your local dealer?

Stopping before I get blasted for being off topic.

 

[CforHD]

I know I will get flack for writing the following, and so be it, but.........

The one I feel sorry for is the small town dealers! FCA's allocation system is putting them at such a disadvantage they are not able to compete
with the dealers that are selling over the internet. While dealers like Mark Dodge and others, discount prices and sell more trucks, it is making it harder
for the small dealers to order trucks. Personally, I think FCA should do away with the allocation system and just enter orders as ordered to allow smaller dealers
to get trucks and be able to compete against the bigger dealers. FCA will still sell the same number of trucks, it will just help spread sales to the small dealers.

I am not blaming people wanting to save a dollar. But, dealers such as Mark Dodge will discount the sale because they are never going to see you again, Once you leave
the lot they are basically done with you. They do not have to worry about any warranty or service work unless you are local. They people that drive 2000 miles to purchase
a truck will be the first ones expecting top notch service from the local dealer when they have problems. Many dealers are encountering problems with warranty work because
time allowed by FCA for warranty repairs are usually not enough to cover the actual mechanics time needed to do the repair. Again, I think the fix for this would be for FCA
to NOT allow sales out of a dealers given area. FCA did this between Canada & the USA, why can they not do it between Provinces & States?

The internet has done as much damage as it has done good. It's too bad because soon there will not be any small hometown businesses left, everything will just be ordered off the
internet from places like Amazon and such. I just wish that FCA had polocies that would allow the small volume dealers to be able to compete against the large volume dealers!

This discussion may deserve to be in a separate thread but I disagree with a lot of the points here. Mark Dodge IS a small-town dealer and found a way of being competitive against the bigger dealer groups.

Warranty and service work is where dealers make most profit on new car sales. So it would be in their best interest to handle all that work instead of "being done with you". To that end, a number of folks had minor blemishes that Mark Dodge arranged to be taken care of at another dealership closer to home. I think this shows a true commitment to the customer instead of sheer profit.

You seem to be suggesting that small dealerships can't or incapable of using the internet; Mark Dodge corrosponds with most folks via email and phone. These are technologies that have been around many many decades. Its not like they have some well-designed internet ordering portal like Amazon... ANY dealership could do the same and have organic sales generated from sites like this (HDRams).

A small player like Mark Dodge decided to not play MSRP markup game and instead use volume to turn a buck along with steller cusromer service to hopefully have repeat business.

Banning sales across state lines would be anti-consumerism as it would lead to less competition and more increased dealer fees. And why stop at banning inter-state sales? Why not just sell direct to consumer like Tesla?

 

[MrTaz]

I know I will get flack for writing the following, and so be it, but.........

The one I feel sorry for is the small town dealers! FCA's allocation system is putting them at such a disadvantage they are not able to compete
with the dealers that are selling over the internet. While dealers like Mark Dodge and others, discount prices and sell more trucks, it is making it harder
for the small dealers to order trucks. Personally, I think FCA should do away with the allocation system and just enter orders as ordered to allow smaller dealers
to get trucks and be able to compete against the bigger dealers. FCA will still sell the same number of trucks, it will just help spread sales to the small dealers.

I am not blaming people wanting to save a dollar. But, dealers such as Mark Dodge will discount the sale because they are never going to see you again, Once you leave
the lot they are basically done with you. They do not have to worry about any warranty or service work unless you are local. They people that drive 2000 miles to purchase
a truck will be the first ones expecting top notch service from the local dealer when they have problems. Many dealers are encountering problems with warranty work because
time allowed by FCA for warranty repairs are usually not enough to cover the actual mechanics time needed to do the repair. Again, I think the fix for this would be for FCA
to NOT allow sales out of a dealers given area. FCA did this between Canada & the USA, why can they not do it between Provinces & States?

The internet has done as much damage as it has done good. It's too bad because soon there will not be any small hometown businesses left, everything will just be ordered off the
internet from places like Amazon and such. I just wish that FCA had polocies that would allow the small volume dealers to be able to compete against the large volume dealers!

Harley Davidson did something similar years ago. They intentionally tried to run the small dealers out of business by requiring them to have expensive buildings with fancy interiors that compared to very nice automotive dealerships. After that, discounts from MSRP were a thing of the past. A few years ago John Deere starting doing the same thing. These big name companies are trying to run all the small mom & pop dealers out of business and if it wasn't for all those small & pop dealers those big name companies wouldn't exist today.

 

[brv10]

Harley Davidson did something similar years ago. They intentionally tried to run the small dealers out of business by requiring them to have expensive buildings with fancy interiors that compared to very nice automotive dealerships. After that, discounts from MSRP were a thing of the past. A few years ago John Deere starting doing the same thing. These big name companies are trying to run all the small mom & pop dealers out of business and if it wasn't for all those small & pop dealers those big name companies wouldn't exist today.

All the car companies did the same thing years ago, corporate dealer guidelines for appearance drove some small dealers out of business.

 

[newmason]

DM’d

Where is the truck? We need pictures

 

[99Cummins]

I know I will get flack for writing the following, and so be it, but.........

The one I feel sorry for is the small town dealers! FCA's allocation system is putting them at such a disadvantage they are not able to compete
with the dealers that are selling over the internet. While dealers like Mark Dodge and others, discount prices and sell more trucks, it is making it harder
for the small dealers to order trucks. Personally, I think FCA should do away with the allocation system and just enter orders as ordered to allow smaller dealers
to get trucks and be able to compete against the bigger dealers. FCA will still sell the same number of trucks, it will just help spread sales to the small dealers.

I am not blaming people wanting to save a dollar. But, dealers such as Mark Dodge will discount the sale because they are never going to see you again, Once you leave
the lot they are basically done with you. They do not have to worry about any warranty or service work unless you are local. They people that drive 2000 miles to purchase
a truck will be the first ones expecting top notch service from the local dealer when they have problems. Many dealers are encountering problems with warranty work because
time allowed by FCA for warranty repairs are usually not enough to cover the actual mechanics time needed to do the repair. Again, I think the fix for this would be for FCA
to NOT allow sales out of a dealers given area. FCA did this between Canada & the USA, why can they not do it between Provinces & States?

The internet has done as much damage as it has done good. It's too bad because soon there will not be any small hometown businesses left, everything will just be ordered off the
internet from places like Amazon and such. I just wish that FCA had polocies that would allow the small volume dealers to be able to compete against the large volume dealers!

The local dealers have EXACTLY the same ability/opportunity to order new trucks as Mark Dodge. MOST SIMPLY DO NOT WANT TO COMPETE. Before I ordered from Mark Dodge, I shopped all four of my local dealers (within ~50 miles). I told them I wanted to place an order for a new truck, and asked for their best deal. Three of them would not commit to anything less than full MSRP, and one offered invoice +$500.. I had bought 1 or more trucks from all three dealers that wouldn't go less than MSRP in the past. It's the individual dealers' choice how they want to conduct business.

 

[DLittle]

Dealer said I went D1 on 12/15 ordered 10/28. Ram chat said all items gathered and plant has sequenced order for production

 

[gpattikjr]

The local dealers have EXACTLY the same ability/opportunity to order new trucks as Mark Dodge. MOST SIMPLY DO NOT WANT TO COMPETE. Before I ordered from Mark Dodge, I shopped all four of my local dealers (within ~50 miles). I told them I wanted to place an order for a new truck, and asked for their best deal. Three of them would not commit to anything less than full MSRP, and one offered invoice +$500.. I had bought 1 or more trucks from all three dealers that wouldn't go less than MSRP in the past. It's the individual dealers' choice how they want to conduct business.

I would have went local if they were within 1k of the price i got from miles.

Shake your head all you want!

If you would have read my post I said "I am not blaming people for wanting to save a dollar".

All I was trying to get across is that FCA should help make your local dealer more competitive!
How many Heavy Duty Trucks does Mark Dodge get allocated compared to your local dealer?

Stopping before I get blasted for being off topic.

You dont get it, it's ok. $1, $1000, and $10,000 are different to most of us.

 

[TroyMcClure]

So what y'all are saying is in Canada if I want to put a factory order in for a truck this week I'm more than likely paying MSRP, maybe a bit less. Then I'm waiting at least 9 months.

 

[Bigkeeper]

I know I will get flack for writing the following, and so be it, but.........

The one I feel sorry for is the small town dealers! FCA's allocation system is putting them at such a disadvantage they are not able to compete
with the dealers that are selling over the internet. While dealers like Mark Dodge and others, discount prices and sell more trucks, it is making it harder
for the small dealers to order trucks. Personally, I think FCA should do away with the allocation system and just enter orders as ordered to allow smaller dealers
to get trucks and be able to compete against the bigger dealers. FCA will still sell the same number of trucks, it will just help spread sales to the small dealers.

I am not blaming people wanting to save a dollar. But, dealers such as Mark Dodge will discount the sale because they are never going to see you again, Once you leave
the lot they are basically done with you. They do not have to worry about any warranty or service work unless you are local. They people that drive 2000 miles to purchase
a truck will be the first ones expecting top notch service from the local dealer when they have problems. Many dealers are encountering problems with warranty work because
time allowed by FCA for warranty repairs are usually not enough to cover the actual mechanics time needed to do the repair. Again, I think the fix for this would be for FCA
to NOT allow sales out of a dealers given area. FCA did this between Canada & the USA, why can they not do it between Provinces & States?

The internet has done as much damage as it has done good. It's too bad because soon there will not be any small hometown businesses left, everything will just be ordered off the
internet from places like Amazon and such. I just wish that FCA had polocies that would allow the small volume dealers to be able to compete against the large volume dealers!

I think your close, many suggest the new model will be all dealers have demo units for a consumer to experience and make a selection from, then order direct from factory for delivery. All dealers will be held to sell at factory price.

Times a changing, for now I’m thankful that I’m not having to pay stupid prices from dealers who are taking advantage of consumers from my perspective.

I’m not in the car business but I don’t think customer special orders come out of a dealers allocations but do have the benefit of raising allocations for the following year…

 

[ACEd]

I know I will get flack for writing the following, and so be it, but.........

The one I feel sorry for is the small town dealers! FCA's allocation system is putting them at such a disadvantage they are not able to compete
with the dealers that are selling over the internet. While dealers like Mark Dodge and others, discount prices and sell more trucks, it is making it harder
for the small dealers to order trucks. Personally, I think FCA should do away with the allocation system and just enter orders as ordered to allow smaller dealers
to get trucks and be able to compete against the bigger dealers. FCA will still sell the same number of trucks, it will just help spread sales to the small dealers.

I am not blaming people wanting to save a dollar. But, dealers such as Mark Dodge will discount the sale because they are never going to see you again, Once you leave
the lot they are basically done with you. They do not have to worry about any warranty or service work unless you are local. They people that drive 2000 miles to purchase
a truck will be the first ones expecting top notch service from the local dealer when they have problems. Many dealers are encountering problems with warranty work because
time allowed by FCA for warranty repairs are usually not enough to cover the actual mechanics time needed to do the repair. Again, I think the fix for this would be for FCA
to NOT allow sales out of a dealers given area. FCA did this between Canada & the USA, why can they not do it between Provinces & States?

The internet has done as much damage as it has done good. It's too bad because soon there will not be any small hometown businesses left, everything will just be ordered off the
internet from places like Amazon and such. I just wish that FCA had polocies that would allow the small volume dealers to be able to compete against the large volume dealers!

I dont know about today with the $5000 or more "Market Adjustments" above MSRP - but my recollection of past stories was Dealers used to make significantly more on Service and Used Cars than on New Vehicles. Maybe not on Warranty work if manufacturer is shorting them - but a friend from the past who worked for Pontiac dealer claimed he could do warranty work in less than allocated time and make equivalent of 12+ hr in one day on Fiero warranty / recall.

I know my Ford Dealer made a lot on non-warranty service on my F250 - even though large portions of work - such as Replacing chunking Continental tires (we can only replace with Continentals - but there are a lot of complaints about these Continentals chunking and we recommend selling you new Goodyears - $1200); Replacing Brakes all 4 corners (Calipers, Rotors, the whole assembly) at 40k miles because phenolic pistons on 2 were sticking - (we will check with Ford to see if we can get some help but pay us now to get truck back on road - never heard back from dealer as to whether they ever contacted Ford); Replacing Turbo (same story - never heard back); Oil Cooler and the usual Major Engine rework for known problems with the 2005 Ford Diesel engines at just over 100k miles (again we will check with Ford - but this time sorry but we know the 2005 has that common major diesel engine problem - so we will give you $1000 over book for your trade on a new F250 if you want to trade now. Work local dealer did over life of truck (not counting routine maintenance $$$$ always done by them by the book) totalled over $12k of work with nothing covered by Ford - and not sure they ever checked with manufacturer on my behalf on anything as I never heard back on anything. And my local Ford dealer is biggest reason I wont buy a Ford.

As to discount dealers and big box stores and Amazon - I don't know how to stop that evolution.

The classic argument of "doing what is best for your family in terms of $" trumps "support local small businesses who dont do enough volume to match the chain stores' wholesale costs" - Its been that way since at least the 1960's - the small locally owned stores are overwhelmed by the chain stores, then the chains are overwhelmed by discount stores, then the big box stores overwhelm the discount stores, then Amazon overwhelms the local stores, etc. Car dealers and Tire dealers and Service providers have been relatively exempt until now, but even that is changing now - driven in large part by Inflation - we are back to trying to keep personal costs down and unable / unwilling to pay "Market Adjustments" - only the Service Providers will survive with increasing cost of Service

 

[RL's 2022 build]

Shake your head all you want!

If you would have read my post I said "I am not blaming people for wanting to save a dollar".

All I was trying to get across is that FCA should help make your local dealer more competitive!
How many Heavy Duty Trucks does Mark Dodge get allocated compared to your local dealer?

Stopping before I get blasted for being off topic.

Orders are separate from allocated stock

 

[Bigkeeper]

So what y'all are saying is in Canada if I want to put a factory order in for a truck this week I'm more than likely paying MSRP, maybe a bit less. Then I'm waiting at least 9 months.

Look at the bright side, you can order OLIVE GREEN!!!

 

[Spkenney]

Should be getting her this afternoon.

 

[DeepH20Driller]

Welp, let me be the first to get this thread back on track:

2022 Ram 2500 Limited MC Hemi
Ordered 6/21
D1: on or around Dec. 6
E Status: 12/15
JB Status: 12/17

As of today, RamChat said “I am showing your vehicle is in shipping stage, however, no ETA to dealer. It will remain in this stage until delivered to your dealer.”

AKA : Don’t bother us again for an update.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[OuterUB]

So what y'all are saying is in Canada if I want to put a factory order in for a truck this week I'm more than likely paying MSRP, maybe a bit less. Then I'm waiting at least 9 months.

Not necessarily ..... My order went in on October 9th and is scheduled for build on or about January 12th ..... paid MSRP but will actually be less due to a whack-ton of freebies.

 

[Bigkeeper]

Welp, let me be the first to get this thread back on track:

2022 Ram 2500 Limited MC Hemi
Ordered 6/21
D1: on or around Dec. 6
E Status: 12/15
JB Status: 12/17

As of today, RamChat said “I am showing your vehicle is in shipping stage, however, no ETA to dealer. It will remain in this stage until delivered to your dealer.”

AKA : Don’t bother us again for an update.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[kwick66]

@Thebuilderman Any updates on your truck being built today?

 

[Grey65]

Not necessarily ..... My order went in on October 9th and is scheduled for build on or about January 12th ..... paid MSRP but will actually be less due to a whack-ton of freebies.

I am also scheduled for January 12, 2022....

 

[Thisnthat]

Before I ordered from MD I went by the dealer I bought one from back in April (right at the beginning of this craziness). They are probably in the top 5 of volume in the state. The day I went by they had 3 new vehicles on the lot for sale…said Enterprise had bought 20 new vehicles the day before..paid sticker for everything. When I asked about ordering one, they offered to order one at invoice…I simply showed them the email from MD with the pricing and asked if they could match that deal…they said no, couldn’t get close…$3500 difference (back in April they actually beat MD on pricing).

The shift of moving from a dealer either having what you need on the lot or being able to get it in a couple days has really thrown off a lot of dealers. They could hold to their price if they knew they had the best selection and wouldn’t dealer trade..,now if it’s going to be several months after a prospective buyer walks in (or emails) before the truck arrives…completely different ball game.

Just ordered a Yukon (from our local dealer as I haven’t found anyone with similar pricing as MD) and the salesman wasn’t too keen on it. Said they had one salesman who had quite a few on order, more than everyone else combined. My salesman said he didn’t like to do it because he didn’t get paid until the vehicle was delivered but that might have to do more orders…as he was telling me this he also said that everything coming in was presold…so only one guy there has put 2 and 2 together that if he wants any sales in the future, he’s going to have play the ordering game.