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if RAM got rid of the long outdated 6.4L HEMI in the 2500 and 3500HD's and replaced it with the Hurricane? Heard several "rumors" that this is RAMs plan moving forward. More HP and TQ and a motor that makes the truck a better option? Thoughts?
 
I’d say it’s pretty unlikely, since they brought the Hemi back to the 1500s this year.

The Hemi doesn’t need to be replaced, they just need to fix its few minor issues and maybe give it a slight power bump.

The Hurricane would potentially be better suited to people who are daily driving an empty truck, but if you’re doing any work with it you’re going to spend all your time in boost, making a ton of heat and inhaling fuel. Fleets would hate it.
 
jsalbre said:
I’d say it’s pretty unlikely, since they brought the Hemi back to the 1500s this year.

The Hemi doesn’t need to be replaced, they just need to fix its few minor issues and maybe give it a slight power bump.

The Hurricane would potentially be better suited to people who are daily driving an empty truck, but if you’re doing any work with it you’re going to spend all your time in boost, making a ton of heat and inhaling fuel. Fleets would hate it.
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They brought the 5.7L HEMI back for other reasons as folks wanted a V8 and not a turbo charged 6 in their 1500 and they were losing sales because of it. They don't care about fixing any issues...just care about selling trucks which is sad in itself. I think the point is that RAM, based on what folks "in the know" are stating, is that there are no plans to spend any money to update or "fix" the 5.7L or the 6.4L and that the Hurricane may be the solution for the outdated HD motor itself. We'll see soon enough in terms of next year or two.
 
In my opinion the Hurricane's displacement is too small for the HD trucks. Like jslbre said, working hard under boost, making a ton of heat and inhaling fuel at alarming rates plus the electronic complexity compared to the V8 format

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When I found the 1500 that I thought I could live with, though used, I made sure it had the 3.93 gears and it was non e-torq. I'm very happy with my 2024 2500 6.4, and I really hope it's my last truck. Or maybe that's my wife
 
jsalbre said:
I’d say it’s pretty unlikely, since they brought the Hemi back to the 1500s this year.

The Hemi doesn’t need to be replaced, they just need to fix its few minor issues and maybe give it a slight power bump.

The Hurricane would potentially be better suited to people who are daily driving an empty truck, but if you’re doing any work with it you’re going to spend all your time in boost, making a ton of heat and inhaling fuel. Fleets would hate it.
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It’s nuts to watch the fuel economy difference when you put a trailer behind an ecoboost F-150.

They get worse mileage than I ever thought possible.
 
IMHO, the 3.0 liter Hurricane would be over-stressed doing HD work. I know that the High Output version has forged internals, but still, they are wringing a lot of power out of a small displacement engine.

Hurricane Standard Output (SO):
Horsepower: 420 hp
Torque: 469 lb-ft

Hurricane High Output (HO):
Horsepower: 510–550 (depending on application)
Torque: 500-520 lb-ft (depending on application)

I'd love to have the Hurricane in a sports car. I also think it would be great in the Wrangler or Gladiator. I'd take it over the 3.6 Pentastar in a heartbeat. But in a 2500? Not for me.

By way of comparison, the BMW B58 is a great engine. It is a 3.0 turbocharged Inline 6 (like the Hurricane). The B58 has one twin-scroll turbo, whereas the Hurricane is twin-turbo. In its max-power configuration, the B58 makes about 380 hp, and 420 lb-ft of torque. But most versions of the engine produce less power. So BMW doesn't try for the kind of numbers that Stellantis is pushing out of the Hurricane.

When Ineos adopted the BMW B58 for the Grenadier (a nearly 6,000-pound off-roader, solid axles, full-time 4x4), they tuned the power to 282 hp, and 332 lb-ft of torque. Ineos says that in their configuration, the torque comes in at a lower rpm, but that overall power numbers are down because they are prioritizing longevity and reliability.

I'm not pretending that Ineos or BMW have the final say on appropriate power output, but it certainly makes me question how long the Hurricane would survive if called on to do heavy duty work.
 
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Trash Panda said:
It’s nuts to watch the fuel economy difference when you put a trailer behind an ecoboost F-150.

They get worse mileage than I ever thought possible.
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My buddy’s literally won’t make it from gas pump to pump when heading north out of here and pulling his little travel trailer, has to carry cans.
 
Medium sized turbo engines are great for “I need to do truck things occasionally, but mostly I need to drive unloaded back and forth to work, so I can deal with the compromise.”

Big NA V8s are good for “I need to drive unloaded back and forth to work occasionally, but mostly I need to do truck things, so I can deal with the compromise.”
 
A large displacement 426 with turbos running low boost = perfect diesel alternative. Wound like to see intake and exhaust on separate sticks too. Take my money. Lol
 
NDanecker said:
A large displacement 426 with turbos running low boost = perfect diesel alternative. Wound like to see intake and exhaust on separate sticks too. Take my money. Lol
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Would strike the rare combo of expensive to run as a diesel, while offering none of the fuel economy benefits.

It would sound great though, I’ll give you that.
 
stickshifter said:
IMHO, the 3.0 liter Hurricane would be over-stressed doing HD work. I know that the High Output version has forged internals, but still, they are wringing a lot of power out of a small displacement engine.

Hurricane Standard Output (SO):
Horsepower: 420 hp
Torque: 469 lb-ft

Hurricane High Output (HO):
Horsepower: 510–550 (depending on application)
Torque: 500-520 lb-ft (depending on application)

I'd love to have the Hurricane in a sports car. I also think it would be great in the Wrangler or Gladiator. I'd take it over the 3.6 Pentastar in a heartbeat. But in a 2500? Not for me.

By way of comparison, the BMW B58 is a great engine. It is a 3.0 turbocharged Inline 6 (like the Hurricane). The B58 has one twin-scroll turbo, whereas the Hurricane is twin-turbo. In its max-power configuration, the B58 makes about 380 hp, and 420 lb-ft of torque. But most versions of the engine produce less power. So BMW doesn't try for the kind of numbers that Stellantis is pushing out of the Hurricane.

When Ineos adopted the BMW B58 for the Grenadier (a nearly 6,000-pound off-roader, solid axles, full-time 4x4), they tuned the power to 282 hp, and 332 lb-ft of torque. Ineos says that in their configuration, the torque comes in at a lower rpm, but that overall power numbers are down because they are prioritizing longevity and reliability.

I'm not pretending that Ineos or BMW have the final say on appropriate power output, but it certainly makes me question how long the Hurricane would survive if called on to do heavy duty work.
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The HO actually has a lower tow rating.
 
securityguy said:
if RAM got rid of the long outdated 6.4L HEMI in the 2500 and 3500HD's and replaced it with the Hurricane? Heard several "rumors" that this is RAMs plan moving forward. More HP and TQ and a motor that makes the truck a better option? Thoughts?
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There was some "talk" that the HO version of the Hurricane could replace the Hemi for 2500s...but I think the Engineers discovered that was silly.
 
securityguy said:
They brought the 5.7L HEMI back for other reasons as folks wanted a V8 and not a turbo charged 6 in their 1500 and they were losing sales because of it.
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That's how the free market works...that's called "social listening" in the marketing world.

securityguy said:
They don't care about fixing any issues...just care about selling trucks which is sad in itself.
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What issues? Yor statement makes no sense...if they don't fix anything they wont sell anything.

securityguy said:
I think the point is that RAM, based on what folks "in the know" are stating, is that there are no plans to spend any money to update or "fix" the 5.7L or the 6.4L and that the Hurricane may be the solution for the outdated HD motor itself. We'll see soon enough in terms of next year or two.
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Fix what ...provide an example.
 
Both of my Sons drive vehicles with the Hemi and I owned one in the past.

One son drives a 1500 with the 5.7 and the other son has a Challenger with the 5.7. I previously owned a challenger with the 6.4. They are all were/are problem free.
 
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