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Towing question

dm6 said:
I have a Big Horn Hemi with just about every option except the sunroof and the payload is 2900 something pounds. One thing I noticed is that with these different trim levels, you can get just about every option on any of them, but it does seem like there is a larger gap between a Tradesman and Big Horn than between a Big Horn and Laramie. The Tradesmans just seemed more bare bones and like a work truck but then again, it is a truck and maybe that is a good thing. When I optioned out a Big Horn, it was pretty close in price to a Laramie, but going back and forth between the two, I decided I actually liked the Big Horn seats better. I am probably in the minority here, but they are really nice cloth seats (they actually feel more like a denim and are very sturdy and comfy).
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I feel the same way about Laramie seats. The “premium” cloth seats felt better than the fake leather. I will say the limited/ longhorn seats felt amazing though.


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Brutal_HO said:
The height of a 5th wheel creates much more wind resistance than a TT.

Modern diesel engines with long oil service intervals (15K) aren't really any more expensive to maintain.

The up front cost is recouped on the back end with higher resale values.

Towing with a diesel is a joy to behold.

If you're going to run a 5th wheel, you need a 3500.
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To the OP.....^^ this is the best advice you'll get. I just went through all this myself and so glad I bought what I did (see sig). If you're doing a 5th wheel, do it in a 3500.
 
P.A. said:
Wonder what the payload would be for a gas Big Horn? Not going to get a lot of bells and whistles. Probably level 2/B group
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This was my pretty much loaded 2019 6.4L Bighorn. It had sunroof, blind spot and cross path, 8.4" radio and was very nicely equipped for a Bighorn. The towing and payload of a similar 2022 would be more than enough for your use case. I did add aftermarket airbags onto the rear end to put the rear back to near unloaded height, it was not needed (and I had a much heavier Grand Design 311BHS at 13,995 gross) but I preferred the rear end to stay up higher than the front rather than level.... personal taste thing.

Attached you find pics with the fiver, weight slips showing truck and trailer and truck alone and the camper weight sticker. You will have much less total weight and pin weight than I am showing.
 

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Lary0071 said:
This was my pretty much loaded 2019 6.4L Bighorn. It had sunroof, blind spot and cross path, 8.4" radio and was very nicely equipped for a Bighorn. The towing and payload of a similar 2022 would be more than enough for your use case. I did add aftermarket airbags onto the rear end to put the rear back to near unloaded height, it was not needed (and I had a much heavier Grand Design 311BHS at 13,995 gross) but I preferred the rear end to stay up higher than the front rather than level.... personal taste thing.

Attached you find pics with the fiver, weight slips showing truck and trailer and truck alone and the camper weight sticker. You will have much less total weight and pin weight than I am showing.
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If you look at axle weights your rear axle is actually 20lbs overloaded if you have the same 6k axle cap as the diesels
 
Lary0071 said:
The gas 2500 has a 6390 rear axle gross, with the 311BHS fully loaded and with 80 gallons of fresh water I had 6,020 on the rear axle.

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Ah gotcha wierd how the diesel is capped at 6k and the gas is much higher
 
Also towing a 311BHS with my Big Horn Gasser.
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My 2500 Diesel has a front GAWR of 6000 lbs. and a rear GAWR of 6040 lbs.

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H3LZSN1P3R said:
It appears so
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All things being equal in the axle and tire department....that leaves the weight of the truck to dictate payload...we all know the Cummins and associated trans weigh more than the gas equivalent...that's why the gasser payload is more than the diesel...that's where my comment about the tires came in...the tires support a certain amount of weight...if the diesel weighs more than the gasser than the amount of payload is less in the diesel...all dictated by the load limits of the tires...that's why a dually has more payload than a srw...more tires to distribute the weight....I know there are suspension differences between srw and drw...but if the same springs are used on both...the tires are what gives more payload....
 
IndyRamDRW said:
All things being equal in the axle and tire department....that leaves the weight of the truck to dictate payload...we all know the Cummins and associated trans weigh more than the gas equivalent...that's why the gasser payload is more than the diesel...that's where my comment about the tires came in...the tires support a certain amount of weight...if the diesel weighs more than the gasser than the amount of payload is less in the diesel...all dictated by the load limits of the tires...that's why a dually has more payload than a srw...more tires to distribute the weight....I know there are suspension differences between srw and drw...but if the same springs are used on both...the tires are what gives more payload....
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Axle weights have no bearing on suspension thats payload rating from what i can tell and the more weight the truck is would just mean the less weight you can add to the truck to get to the axle weights… it may just be a suits decision with no reasoning who knows at this point
 
I have a feeling the axles aren't rated differently from gas to diesel...FRONT axles are 6k, REARS are slightly higher at 6040. That minor difference is likely due to the front being a steering axle.

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JHeat2500 said:
I have a feeling the axles aren't rated differently from gas to diesel...FRONT axles are 6k, REARS are slightly higher at 6040. That minor difference is likely due to the front being a steering axle.

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Gas rears range from 6200-6350 from what it seems like and diesel rears are consistently 6040 from what i have seen the fronts are irrelevant…. The only thing i can see is they are taking the front weight limit down due to the lighter engine and putting the remainder of the 12040 combined axle caps on the rear…. basically they are the same and just playing with numbers is my concluded thoughts just like the 11.5 rear in the 3500 is capped at 7k but is phisically the same axle as the 2500 just with leafs instead of coils
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
Gas rears range from 6200-6350 from what it seems like and diesel rears are consistently 6040 from what i have seen the fronts are irrelevant…. The only thing i can see is they are taking the front weight limit down due to the lighter engine and putting the remainder of the 12040 combined axle caps on the rear…. basically they are the same and just playing with numbers is my concluded thoughts just like the 11.5 rear in the 3500 is capped at 7k but is phisically the same axle as the 2500 just with leafs instead of coils
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So they are the same axle just rated differently? That's weird...
 
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