S/O Has Plenty Of Power

[jetrinka]

Mentioning trannies was relevant to your previous, uninformed post. What is irrelevant is your tranny preference. You may hook up and do a side by side comparison of your SO and HO trucks all you want but the fact is, you're way over the manufacturer's weight limits for SO with that 25k combo. SO max towing max out somewhere in 21-22K lbs range and HO is 35K lbs.
Yes SO is plenty but the tranny it's paired with is a weak link.

^^^This again

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

The new auto's are stronger than the manuals which is a reason manuf arent offering the stick shift any longer behind modern diesels.

Thats not true at all you can have a manual stronger than an auto if the clutch can hold the power look at a semi the autos cant hold the power a manual can id love a 10 speed eaton that would for sure hold the power and can fit….

 

[Aketay]

I miss my manual. Due to the lack of sales they had to go. Programming emissions for they manual was not as clean as the automatic, which they have control over shift points and ultimately your driving habits.

 

[gimmie11s]

Thats not true at all you can have a manual stronger than an auto if the clutch can hold the power look at a semi the autos cant hold the power a manual can id love a 10 speed eaton that would for sure hold the power and can fit….

Agree, however, i should have been more specific for the guys like you that require specifics.

What i should have said was the current offerings for "light duty truck manuals" cannot withstand the power/torque of "modern light duty diesels".

10 speed eaton in a LD truck.. lol. Come on now.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Agree, however, nowhere did i say it wasnt possible.

What i said was the current offerings for light duty truck manuals cannot withstand the power/torque of modern light duty diesels.

10 speed eaton in a LD truck.. lol. Come on now.

Thats not unheard of there are atleast 5 people in this area i know for a fact have done a swap

 

[gimmie11s]

Im sure it can be done. But why? To be nostalgic?

The new autos are amazing. Ive shifted more gears manually than i can count and I do enjoy rowing gears.

But towing our 5er across the country, there is no way in hell you could convince me to trade my auto for a stick while towing.

 

[MEGA HO]

Going into specifics yes it's a clutch that can't handle the power output, but being a part of a manual transmission it is therefore a transmission that can't keep up.
I mentioned "mods" earlier. It is a shame that RAM couldn't beef up a clutch, South Bend clutch is a popular mod for RAM trucks and they have clutches that can handle twice the SO power output.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Going into specifics yes it's a clutch that can't handle the power output, but being a part of a manual transmission it is therefore a transmission that can't keep up.
I mentioned "mods" earlier. It is a shame that RAM couldn't beef up a clutch, South Bend clutch is a popular mod for RAM trucks and they have clutches that can handle twice the SO power output.

Southbend is rookie gear valair triple disk is much better lol

 

[Nd79]

I just think it's nice to have options! The SO Cummins is awesome as is the HO. I picked the SO when ordering my 3500 for many reasons and would have picked the HO for the transmission, not the power ratings. I think it's cool we have those options to fit our individual needs more precise for each one of us.

 

[MEGA HO]

Once they go with a rumoured ZF 8 speed that could handle the HO, they just might drop one of the engine options.

 

[renagade69]

Mentioning trannies was relevant to your previous, uninformed post. What is irrelevant is your tranny preference. You may hook up and do a side by side comparison of your SO and HO trucks all you want but the fact is, you're way over the manufacturer's weight limits for SO with that 25k combo. SO max towing max out somewhere in 21-22K lbs range and HO is 35K lbs.
Yes SO is plenty but the tranny it's paired with is a weak link.

The fact remains the SO has all the power you need to tow past the rating. The transmission holds up fine with the load also. Bone stock. The rest is marketing bs you buy lock stock and barrel. My 550 is an older one.

 

[Epsilon Plus]

Thats not true at all you can have a manual stronger than an auto if the clutch can hold the power look at a semi the autos cant hold the power a manual can id love a 10 speed eaton that would for sure hold the power and can fit….

Allison got it's name in Class 8 trucks, not behind Isuzu V8s in Chevrolet Class 2Bs...

I would also add that within the first few feet of a dead stop launch, depending on the stall to torque ratio of the torque converter, the auto is putting down up to 2.5x more torque to the output shaft.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Allison got it's name in Class 8 trucks, not behind Isuzu V8s in Chevrolet Class 2Bs...

I would also add that within the first few feet of a dead stop launch, depending on the stall to torque ratio of the torque converter, the auto is putting down up to 2.5x more torque to the output shaft.

You must be kidding right…. Alison is garbage the only reason they have the life they do is the defueling on shifts remove the defueling from the tuning and they grenade not long after, hence why 99% of diesel drag trucks run the 48re even behind the duramax the 5 speed also is a must better setup gearing wise… now my reasoning for preferring a manual is for the control of shifts and the lifespan of the trans..

 

[Epsilon Plus]

Here you are back talking about little Class 2 and 3 trucks but your point was that they can't hold the power of the semis. Allisons have been in Class 8 trucks for decades, long before Duramax was a thing. You can currently find these "weak" automatics behind the current full power Cummins ISX and PACCAR engines.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Here you are back talking about little Class 2 and 3 trucks but your point was that they can't hold the power of the semis. Allisons have been in Class 8 trucks for decades, long before Duramax was a thing. You can currently find these "weak" automatics behind the current full power Cummins ISX and PACCAR engines.

Well we are in a class 2-3 trucks hence why i am talking about them…

 

[RV_Goose]

Just finished a 3-day trip to the New England area pulling a 5th wheel that weighed roughly 13,500lbs with about 3100lbs of pin weight. I must say, that Cummins diesel is phenomenal. I know many of you opted for the H/O but hats off to the S/O too. I started encountering a lot of decent grades going through VA/PA and finally into NY and VT. It pulled pretty well in my opinion. The crappy roads were a bear with the 5th wheel bucking (my wife and I call it bull riding) but overall towing went pretty well.

I did not target the HO as a necessity. But it was in the dually I bought in 2020 April. I got it for less than the SO trucks at the time. A Covid deal.

I say a fellow on the inter that said if you compare the SO 68RFE with a HO Aisin, without a load, you'll choose the SO. If compared pulling a 10k+ trailer, or heavier, you'll choose the HO.

Huge difference towing 10-25k with the HO. Necessary is debatable.

 

[lovegolf44]

Huge difference towing 10-25k with the HO. Necessary is debatable.

I would perhaps modify that to say 15-25k for HO, the SO is pulling my 14.5k with no issues at all.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

Really the so could pull 30k with little to no issues hell i have pulled 20k with my 01 5.9HO it has 235hp and 505tq and 4.10s, i was pretty impressed with how it handled the weight too

 

[First World Problems]

When I began the journey to pick a 1-ton truck, I began weighing the pros and cons of each manufacturer. The consistent issue between the big 3 was transmission reliability.

Ford: While the 6.7 Powerstroke is hell of an engine, the use of CP4 combined with the fact the TorqShift has been extremely problematic in the 2019+. Add to it the high instances of death wobble and the worst interiors of the bunch, Ford was out.

GM: The Silverado is extremely ugly to my eyes but the Sierra is pretty nice looking besides a couple quirks like the squarish wheels wheels and foot steps on the bedside. GM “Allison” has had a few issues as well (although significant less so than the Ford). the biggest thing that bugs me about the GM offerings is that they don’t paint their frames. I almost bought a 3500 AT4 but was shocked at the significant rusting I was seeing on the underside of brand new vehicles. I looked under a few friends trucks that were 3-5 years old and immediately crossed GM off the list.

Ram: The 68RFE has also had its fair share of documented problems but has seemed to see constant improvement. It’s weakness seems to be torque and while it can be bulletproofed for the right amount of money the Aisin has been generally regarded as the most bullet proof HD truck option; even if it has less civilized driving characteristics (which has seemed to have been improve drastically the last couple of years with programming/running updates).

Ultimately the Aisin transmission is the reason I opted for the HO. Knowing that the transmission is not a potential weak link is worth the small increase in cost. Bonus side is I get an engine that also comes with significant increases in performance. Win/win.

 

[jetrinka]

When I began the journey to pick a 1-ton truck, I began weighing the pros and cons of each manufacturer. The consistent issue between the big 3 was transmission reliability.

Ford: While the 6.7 Powerstroke is hell of an engine, the use of CP4 combined with the fact the TorqShift has been extremely problematic in the 2019+. Add to it the high instances of death wobble and the worst interiors of the bunch, Ford was out.

GM: The Silverado is extremely ugly to my eyes but the Sierra is pretty nice looking besides a couple quirks like the squarish wheels wheels and foot steps on the bedside. GM “Allison” has had a few issues as well (although significant less so than the Ford). the biggest thing that bugs me about the GM offerings is that they don’t paint their frames. I almost bought a 3500 AT4 but was shocked at the significant rusting I was seeing on the underside of brand new vehicles. I looked under a few friends trucks that were 3-5 years old and immediately crossed GM off the list.

Ram: The 68RFE has also had its fair share of documented problems but has seemed to see constant improvement. It’s weakness seems to be torque and while it can be bulletproofed for the right amount of money the Aisin has been generally regarded as the most bullet proof HD truck option; even if it has less civilized driving characteristics (which has seemed to have been improve drastically the last couple of years with programming/running updates).

Ultimately the Aisin transmission is the reason I opted for the HO. Knowing that the transmission is not a potential weak link is worth the small increase in cost. Bonus side is I get an engine that also comes with significant increases in performance. Win/win.

I didn't know that GM doesn't paint their frames. Explains why most of the ones I see underneath are rusty....