Regens at alarming rate!

[Kfalls]

The part that’s missing is not a DPF part and has nothing to do with regeneration.

I can only go by what the dealer says, I’m not a D tech and wasn’t planning to be one!
The point is that it’s a new truck 125000 miles on it now and it wasn’t cheap and it’s total BS

 

[mbarber84]

I can only go by what the dealer says, I’m not a D tech and wasn’t planning to be one!
The point is that it’s a new truck 125000 miles on it now and it wasn’t cheap and it’s total BS

At 125,000 miles you may be getting toward the end of the DPF’s serviceable life, depending on how much ash content you’ve accumulated. That could be driving your regeneration frequency up. Without seeing the truck and working on it, it’s hard to say. What do you do with your truck?

 

[Kfalls]

At 125,000 miles you may be getting toward the end of the DPF’s serviceable life, depending on how much ash content you’ve accumulated. That could be driving your regeneration frequency up. Without seeing the truck and working on it, it’s hard to say. What do you do with your truck?

My mistake 12,500 miles. A lot of gettin the groceries and trying to get to the fishing spot, if I get on the highway a couple times a week it would probably help! It’s still BS!
A person doesn’t spend this kinda money for more headaches!

 

[mbarber84]

My mistake 12,500 miles. A lot of gettin the groceries and trying to get to the fishing spot, if I get on the highway a couple times a week it would probably help! It’s still BS!
A person doesn’t spend this kinda money for more headaches!

If all you’re doing is going to the fishing hole and the grocery store you’re asking for trouble. The truck needs highway time, or loaded / towing time in order for regeneration (passive or active) to reduce soot load. Without some periods of constant high rpm / engine load, you’ll regenerate frequently. If your active regeneration cycles are kicking in during stop and go or low speed operation they’re probably not as effective either. These trucks need EGT’s for a consistent time. At your duty cycle I wouldn’t recommend going over 5,000 miles before changing your engine oil and filter.

 

[Kfalls]

If all you’re doing is going to the fishing hole and the grocery store you’re asking for trouble. The truck needs highway time, or loaded / towing time in order for regeneration (passive or active) to reduce soot load. Without some periods of constant high rpm / engine load, you’ll regenerate frequently. If your active regeneration cycles are kicking in during stop and go or low speed operation they’re probably not as effective either. These trucks need EGT’s for a consistent time. At your duty cycle I wouldn’t recommend going over 5,000 miles before changing your engine oil and filter.

I’ve been buying

If all you’re doing is going to the fishing hole and the grocery store you’re asking for trouble. The truck needs highway time, or loaded / towing time in order for regeneration (passive or active) to reduce soot load. Without some periods of constant high rpm / engine load, you’ll regenerate frequently. If your active regeneration cycles are kicking in during stop and go or low speed operation they’re probably not as effective either. These trucks need EGT’s for a consistent time. At your duty cycle I wouldn’t recommend going over 5,000 miles before changing your engine oil and filter.

ive been

 

[Kfalls]

I’ve been buying & driving diesel trucks since the mid eighties, my first new one was in 1990 and my last new was a 2017 Ram! This is the first time with this headache and there is no disclaimer that says you have to work it hard, there is no justification for it!
FYI .. i buy a truck for whatever the future holds, a camper a dump trailer etc!

Thanks for the conversation, I’m out!

 

[flan]

Thank god

 

[mbarber84]

I’ve been buying & driving diesel trucks since the mid eighties, my first new one was in 1990 and my last new was a 2017 Ram! This is the first time with this headache and there is no disclaimer that says you have to work it hard, there is no justification for it!
FYI .. i buy a truck for whatever the future holds, a camper a dump trailer etc!

Thanks for the conversation, I’m out!

There’s a certain amount of understood necessity built into the purchase of a diesel powered 3/4 or 1 ton pickup today. Once the emissions systems came into effect in 2007, the game changed. They’re not built for continuous stop and go, or regular trips to the grocery store. You can still do these trips, but you have to incorporate some dedicated highway time to your weekly or monthly routine. It’s just the way it is. Hence the reason so many people look to removing the emissions systems. They’re the primary reason the truck has to be operated a certain way. That being said however, diesels were never meant for short trip duty cycles, not even back in the 90’s. The only difference between then and now is the introduction of emissions systems which require a certain amount of loaded or high speed operation in order to function properly. The downfalls of short trip duty cycles is widely documented and understood in the industry. Those remain even today.

 

[Dusty13]

I would 100% wait it out and let the dealer take care of it. If you purchased from a RAM dealer I would go back and give them the opportunity to fix the issue. In my opinion the engine hours tell the full story and I would make sure they are aware of this. No need to waste your money and time when its covered. Granted, it will more than likely be a lengthy process but it will be worth it in the end.... hang in there. 9 times out of 10 when I see these codes I will say its not DPF related, in your case I think you are the 1 in which yours is plugged from excessive idling.

There’s a certain amount of understood necessity built into the purchase of a diesel powered 3/4 or 1 ton pickup today. Once the emissions systems came into effect in 2007, the game changed. They’re not built for continuous stop and go, or regular trips to the grocery store. You can still do these trips, but you have to incorporate some dedicated highway time to your weekly or monthly routine. It’s just the way it is. Hence the reason so many people look to removing the emissions systems. They’re the primary reason the truck has to be operated a certain way. That being said however, diesels were never meant for short trip duty cycles, not even back in the 90’s. The only difference between then and now is the introduction of emissions systems which require a certain amount of loaded or high speed operation in order to function properly. The downfalls of short trip duty cycles is widely documented and understood in the industry. Those remain even today.

 

[Dusty13]

Started having the same problem with my 2017 one ton, 95% highway half of that pulling a 40‘toy hauler or 53’ hotshot regen failed. It seems Ram has caught up with the other 2 truck manufacturers and is producing JUNK, not being under warranty means finding a mechanic who will delete this crap or take it to Canada and get fixed or spend more money than it’s worth. Last pre 2000 truck I will ever own.

 

[mhraxo]

There’s a certain amount of understood necessity built into the purchase of a diesel powered 3/4 or 1 ton pickup today. Once the emissions systems came into effect in 2007, the game changed. They’re not built for continuous stop and go, or regular trips to the grocery store. You can still do these trips, but you have to incorporate some dedicated highway time to your weekly or monthly routine. It’s just the way it is. Hence the reason so many people look to removing the emissions systems. They’re the primary reason the truck has to be operated a certain way. That being said however, diesels were never meant for short trip duty cycles, not even back in the 90’s. The only difference between then and now is the introduction of emissions systems which require a certain amount of loaded or high speed operation in order to function properly. The downfalls of short trip duty cycles is widely documented and understood in the industry. Those remain even today.

I think though that after I pull a 20K toyhauler for 4 hours and the DPF is at 0 the entire trip I should be able to unhook and run in town for food and fuel and not have it go into a regen on a 30 mile trip.

 

[mbarber84]

I think though that after I pull a 20K toyhauler for 4 hours and the DPF is at 0 the entire trip I should be able to unhook and run in town for food and fuel and not have it go into a regen on a 30 mile trip.

1000% correct. The ones that are demonstrating that characteristic are indeed having issues that need to be addressed. Excluding the 24 hour timed regeneration cycle. You can’t stop that from happening and it’s normal. Just something that has to be dealt with.

 

[mhraxo]

1000% correct. The ones that are demonstrating that characteristic are indeed having issues that need to be addressed. Excluding the 24 hour timed regeneration cycle. You can’t stop that from happening and it’s normal. Just something that has to be dealt with.

Im fine with the 24 hour passive regens just not the every 30 mile regens. Funny thing is when i bought this I had 0 issues, like a dumass I got a letter about an emission's recall and took it in and it's been a nightmare since. Now the dealership wants me to drop it off so they can "try and figure it out". I asked please put it back the way it was is the answer! Im hoping @RamCares can help out because the dealers lost, There 20 year olds can manage oil changes but thats it. At $85k im hoping for a lot more quality than this.

 

[mbarber84]

Im fine with the 24 hour passive regens just not the every 30 mile regens. Funny thing is when i bought this I had 0 issues, like a dumass I got a letter about an emission's recall and took it in and it's been a nightmare since. Now the dealership wants me to drop it off so they can "try and figure it out". I asked please put it back the way it was is the answer! Im hoping @RamCares can help out because the dealers lost, There 20 year olds can manage oil changes but thats it. At $85k im hoping for a lot more quality than this.

Just clarifying: 24 hour regenerations are “active” not “passive”

Passive = No extra fuel used to clean DPF
Active = Fuel introduced in exhaust stream to raise temps.

The emissions recall has no bearing on your regeneration issue. That is likely coincidental. The emissions recall is only installation of the particulate matter sensor, which does not control when an active regeneration happens or how frequently.

I’m assuming this is a 2022 based on the emissions recall statement you made?
How many miles on your truck, what kinds of drive cycles does it see, and what type of engine air filter are you using?

 

[CaptainMike]

Im fine with the 24 hour passive regens just not the every 30 mile regens. Funny thing is when i bought this I had 0 issues, like a dumass I got a letter about an emission's recall and took it in and it's been a nightmare since. Now the dealership wants me to drop it off so they can "try and figure it out". I asked please put it back the way it was is the answer! Im hoping @RamCares can help out because the dealers lost, There 20 year olds can manage oil changes but thats it. At $85k im hoping for a lot more quality than this.

My regen problems started directly after the emissions recall work was done as well. I suspect is was the ECM reflash, but the RAM engineers haven't asked for my opinion yet.

 

[mhraxo]

Just clarifying: 24 hour regenerations are “active” not “passive”

Passive = No extra fuel used to clean DPF
Active = Fuel introduced in exhaust stream to raise temps.

The emissions recall has no bearing on your regeneration issue. That is likely coincidental. The emissions recall is only installation of the particulate matter sensor, which does not control when an active regeneration happens or how frequently.

I’m assuming this is a 2022 based on the emissions recall statement you made?
How many miles on your truck, what kinds of drive cycles does it see, and what type of engine air filter are you using?

Hell of a coincidence cause 2 miles down the road from the dealer I got a regen in progress and been getting them every 30 to 50 miles ever since
the only time it does not is towing my toyhauler, as soon as i unhook i can go like 5 miles and its at 25% already
this all started at 6k miles, that when i took it in for that recall that they said also required a flash of the pcm, took it back and they said per their tech 2 tech forum that sometimes the flash is corrupt to perform it again. Then proceeded to tell me if this still persists I will need to leave it there for them to try and talk to RAM and see what they suggest. Not like i have to goto work to pay for this $85k truck. To me thy screwed it up since for 6k miles it was fine. PUT IT BACK

 

[mhraxo]

My regen problems started directly after the emissions recall work was done as well. I suspect is was the ECM reflash, but the RAM engineers haven't asked for my opinion yet.

yup ..... really wish the Banks Derringer was available for Rams

 

[Riddick]

yup ..... really wish the Banks Derringer was available for Rams

The Banks Derringer does not reflash your ECM. It an inline controller that intercepts the sensor data and tricks the ECU.... stock programming and stock fuel tables are still used.

 

[RonWagnon]

I've been having this issue for several months now. It started frequent regen's before I had the particulate matter sensor installed. The regen's occur every 40-60 miles and doesn't matter if highway or city driving. I have had 2 regen's occur on a single highway trip averaging 65+ mph on 130 mile trip. The EVIC gage goes to 0 after regen but within 15 miles it's already up to 30%. It has been in the shop several times for this issue. Like @mhraxo above said they asked could I leave it for them to figure out. I have left it a couple of times. I don't know everything they've looked at so far but they have changed the EGR valve and I dropped it off yesterday as they got approval from RAM to change all of the injectors (Service Rep said estimated parts/labor $19k). All work so far is covered by Warranty. They are going to do the snap ring recall while they have it. Supposed to pick it up late Friday afternoon. We shall see what happens.

 

[mbarber84]

Hell of a coincidence cause 2 miles down the road from the dealer I got a regen in progress and been getting them every 30 to 50 miles ever since
the only time it does not is towing my toyhauler, as soon as i unhook i can go like 5 miles and its at 25% already
this all started at 6k miles, that when i took it in for that recall that they said also required a flash of the pcm, took it back and they said per their tech 2 tech forum that sometimes the flash is corrupt to perform it again. Then proceeded to tell me if this still persists I will need to leave it there for them to try and talk to RAM and see what they suggest. Not like i have to goto work to pay for this $85k truck. To me thy screwed it up since for 6k miles it was fine. PUT IT BACK

The Y43 recall requires a flash in order to program the truck with the necessary firmware to be able to communicate with the particulate matter sensor. Without the flash, the truck doesn’t know that sensor is there. I am unsure of wether or not that ECM / PCM flash also contains updated engine tuning recalibrations, however there are just as many trucks with Regen frequency issues that have not had that flash or recall completed. It is most definitely a concerning and growing problem that Ram needs to address immediately. (@RamCares are you following this thread?)

I've been having this issue for several months now. It started frequent regen's before I had the particulate matter sensor installed. The regen's occur every 40-60 miles and doesn't matter if highway or city driving. I have had 2 regen's occur on a single highway trip averaging 65+ mph on 130 mile trip. The EVIC gage goes to 0 after regen but within 15 miles it's already up to 30%. It has been in the shop several times for this issue. Like @mhraxo above said they asked could I leave it for them to figure out. I have left it a couple of times. I don't know everything they've looked at so far but they have changed the EGR valve and I dropped it off yesterday as they got approval from RAM to change all of the injectors (Service Rep said estimated parts/labor $19k). All work so far is covered by Warranty. They are going to do the snap ring recall while they have it. Supposed to pick it up late Friday afternoon. We shall see what happens.

Do either of your trucks show any signs of soot present in the tail pipe? If you swipe your finger in the tailpipe does it come out black or partially black?