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New 2027 or keep my current 2020?

Farmer 5500 said:
It’s not my focus. Torque is my focus. I don’t know when I said otherwise.
I’m towing 19 tons and sometimes more.
I have an International dump with a 9.3L 310 HP engine, but it has 1150 torque. It’s great.
I run 4 pretty decent size farm tractors- all 6 cylinder diesels, and am well aware that torque is where the power comes from when it comes to working a truck, or tractor.
I’d rather have a 7.2L with 350/1100. The extra displacement and torque is what I prefer.
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I wasn't pointing you out...I just happened to post after you is all LOL
 
An option I need to consider is coming up on me soon. I am leaning towards keeping the truck. It’s been pretty reliable and it is equipped the way I want it.
My warranty (7yrs 75,000 miles bumper to bumper MAX Care) is expiring soon.
I currently have 73,000 on the odometer.
There are few choices for extending the warranty on a commercial cab/chassis truck.

1. Max Care will sell me 1 more year/12K miles for ~$3,500 with a $500 deductible. That’s unreasonable, but I trust the words of warranty because I already have used my initial Max Care warranty and it’s been very good. Also noteworthy is my initial Max Care warranty has a $100 deductible. The next warranty is $500 deductible.

2. Continental will sell me a 2 year/ 24K miles for $3,300 with a $100 deductible. That is much more reasonable, but I don’t know if I trust the words of the warranty. Also, my service advisor tells me on parts used for warranty work, Continental has “price limits”. IOW, Ram must submit parts prices to Continental. According to SA, about 75% of the time, Rams parts prices are accepted. About 25% of the time, the price is too high, and Continental finds and ships the parts to dealer. This could slow down repairs in some cases.

In comparing what actually is covered, Continental actually seems to be offering more coverage in terms of what is covered.

Just from a cost perspective, the 2 year coverage for Continental is same price as 1 year Max Care AND the deductible is $100, not $500.
Also, the warranty is pro-rated. So when I sell the truck, they refund me what months/miles I don’t use. Or I can sell the truck with the remaining warranty as a selling feature, which I believe will be valuable on such an expensive to repair used truck.

Anyone know anything about “Continental”? I am tempted to just go with it, but thought I’d throw it out there
 
Farmer 5500 said:
My accountant and I were discussing the need for a depreciation write off this year. I have some depreciation recapture from selling some company equipment (dump truck) in under 5 years. My current 2020 Ram 5500 is fully depreciated and paid off.

Some of the reasons to sell 2020:
1. Will need 6 new tires in next 6 months ($2,500+)
2. Fully depreciated & paid off for a year.
3. 2020 has enough power, but would enjoy the bump from 800TQ to 1075 TQ
4. Aisin 6 speed has been fine, but ZF 8 speed looks to be an improvement.
5. Warranty expires in 2,500 miles (currently have bumper to bumper 7yr/75,000mile warr). Can extend warranty for $3,500.
6. Sounds picky, but mirror don’t power fold and we have very narrow back roads. Really annoying. Could be retrofitted for ~ $1,200.
7. New truck will have 10yr/100K warranty.

Some reasons to keep the 2020:
1. No mechanical or major/minor issues
2. Looks very good for 6 years old
3. Has winch bumper & 25 K Sherpa winch that would have to be removed and installed on 2027 truck. Unknown if bumper will fit 2027.
4. Only has 73K miles on it. Still very tight & strong.
4. Has EBY Aluminum HD bed installed and it still suits my needs pretty well.

There’s probably other reasons to keep/sell I haven’t listed, but those are the first that come to thought.

If I install new tires, extend warranty and install power-folding mirrors, I’d have to spend about $7,500. That could be a partial deposit on a 2027.
New truck looks like it’ll be $95K equipped the way I want. I haven’t nailed down a potential selling price for my 2020, but $40,000-$50,000 looks to be a starting selling price range.
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Hi I believe if you paid off sell it. Because 2019 after all rams have problems and a lot of problems EGR, DPF EGR COOLER, GRID HEATER all emissions systems have problems. New Ram no grid heater no more filters front left side more easy way working for maintenance truck. But you’ve to check again this is your way. Good luck
 
sstoner911 said:
Thats not true. Not all....very few compared to the number of trucks on the road....the owners with no issues are not bragging on the internet.
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I tend to agree, but I would say I’m “cautiously optimistic”.
I don’t like the problems I read about, but you are right, owners of problem free trucks don’t generally post “my truck has no problems” on the internet.
 
Am I missing something? my understanding is that the 7.2 is only for Medium-Duty commercial vehicles like busses, vocational trucks and not for the consumer pick-ups.
 
Xflight29 said:
Am I missing something? my understanding is that the 7.2 is only for Medium-Duty commercial vehicles like busses, vocational trucks and not for the consumer pick-ups.
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That was my understanding, too.
Also, my local Ram dealer salesman says 2027 will continue with the 6.7
 
If your truck is paid off, I would keep it and save the money you would have spent on a warranty. Drive the truck and maintain as normal. You will still be money ahead vs a trade or purchasing an extended 1:year warranty.
 
ShadowJ said:
If your truck is paid off, I would keep it and save the money you would have spent on a warranty. Drive the truck and maintain as normal. You will still be money ahead vs a trade or purchasing an extended 1:year warranty.
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Yes, it is paid off.
The extended warranty would cost me $140/month over 24 months. That’s pretty much chump change considering what repairs I cannot do cost.
However, the extended warranty cost fee is due up front, so all $3,400 is payable all at once. My previous warranty was paid for 30 months, interest free. That was really convenient.
Other thing to consider is that any warranty I don’t use is refunded to me, and it could give the buyer of my truck a good deal of confidence knowing he’s buying a 7 or 8 year old truck with a pretty comprehensive warranty.
It should fetch me extra money at sale.

I do hear ya on saving the money, too. It’s not an easy decision and farming profits are dwindling every year.
 
I would keep it and get the extended warranty. Let others be the guiene pigs and wait til the new engine has been around 3 years or more before jumping in.
 
sstoner911 said:
Thats not true. Not all....very few compared to the number of trucks on the road....the owners with no issues are not bragging on the internet.
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I’m not talking about %100 but %80 Rams have emissions problem. I’m a long trip driver annd diesel mechanic driving 120.000miles/year you can calculate a daily drive for us from Medford NY to near Dayton OH. So you can think about how and which truck better for comparing and I saw in truck stops many rams always egr dpf problems. I’m driving 2021 Ram 3500 Bighorn Dually because it better than Ford 350. Ram never says no but ford says. I’m not talking like internet talks. This is real life in trucking. Maybe you didn’t get problems but a lot of people have problems even with fords. Anyway it’s just my opinion
 
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I'm putting my normal (paid off) truck payment into a fund for the first big repair after my extended warranty runs out or ends up being a not covered part. I might consider a new truck if they release a new cab. Should have these Atlantis gremlins worked out by then and the current 6.7 and ZF proven reliable.
 
I don’t think it’s anywhere near 80% that have emission problems. I bet it’s high but nowhere near that. The dealers would be flooded with trucks as hundreds of thousands of trucks waiting for parts and repair. Would be a giant cluster ****.

I feel it may seem like that because people complain about it on forums and social media. People that don’t have issues aren’t here praising no issues.

Still though…waiting for the day of no def and egr options on the build sheet. It’s coming.
 
ginopan70 said:
I’m not talking about %100 but %80 Rams have emissions problem. I’m a long trip driver annd diesel mechanic driving 120.000miles/year you can calculate a daily drive for us from Medford NY to near Dayton OH. So you can think about how and which truck better for comparing and I saw in truck stops many rams always egr dpf problems. I’m driving 2021 Ram 3500 Bighorn Dually because it better than Ford 350. Ram never says no but ford says. I’m not talking like internet talks. This is real life in trucking. Maybe you didn’t get problems but a lot of people have problems even with fords. Anyway it’s just my opinion
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I have owned Rams since 2007- (both 1500s and Diesels) - never had a major problem.

I traded my 2023 Ram 3500 for a 2024 Chevy 3500 DRW - with less than 2000 miles the Intermediate shaft on the steering failed. It also had bad front hub extensions. They just happened to get another truck with Heads Up Display, so they basically bought my truck back and we made a deal on that one.

That truck probably off the lot had a "thump - thump" noise under the center console when I would let off the fuel. I didn't notice it on the test drive but my son heard it the next day. It also had the steering intermediate shaft fail. The thump noise was the drive shaft, the installed 3 drive shafts and could not fix the issue - so here I was selling that truck back and getting a 3rd truck!

The third truck at 2500 miles had the steering intermediate shaft, front hub extensions, and 2 tires fail. I also could keep the front doors from rattling over bumps in the road, the first time we towed our 5th wheel we went over a bride and when we would hit the transitions in the bridge the doors would flex and rattle.

So I came back to Ram. I have also owned a 2022 Ford F350 DRW....had similar issues with the doors rattling, center console rattles that the dealer could never figure out.

I certainly don't drive as many miles as you but I have seen all makes of Diesel truck with emissions components issues on the side of the road. Peoples perceptions are not always reality. You say your Ram is better than Ford - but I am not sure why you don't own a Chevy??

You honestly sound like one of those guys who is just never happy.
 
sstoner911 said:
I have owned Rams since 2007- (both 1500s and Diesels) - never had a major problem.

I traded my 2023 Ram 3500 for a 2024 Chevy 3500 DRW - with less than 2000 miles the Intermediate shaft on the steering failed. It also had bad front hub extensions. They just happened to get another truck with Heads Up Display, so they basically bought my truck back and we made a deal on that one.

That truck probably off the lot had a "thump - thump" noise under the center console when I would let off the fuel. I didn't notice it on the test drive but my son heard it the next day. It also had the steering intermediate shaft fail. The thump noise was the drive shaft, the installed 3 drive shafts and could not fix the issue - so here I was selling that truck back and getting a 3rd truck!

The third truck at 2500 miles had the steering intermediate shaft, front hub extensions, and 2 tires fail. I also could keep the front doors from rattling over bumps in the road, the first time we towed our 5th wheel we went over a bride and when we would hit the transitions in the bridge the doors would flex and rattle.

So I came back to Ram. I have also owned a 2022 Ford F350 DRW....had similar issues with the doors rattling, center console rattles that the dealer could never figure out.

I certainly don't drive as many miles as you but I have seen all makes of Diesel truck with emissions components issues on the side of the road. Peoples perceptions are not always reality. You say your Ram is better than Ford - but I am not sure why you don't own a Chevy??

You honestly sound like one of those guys who is just never happy.
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Chevy is not work in our business it’s a class truck mostly family truck but we’re hauling 12000-14000lbs sometimes over with A class license my friend bought 3 years ago 50k miles differential gone including shaft he sold it. Ram for work Ford for speed Chevy class.
That’s the resason.
I wish you best enjoy with your trucks. You are not like us. You’re not trucking business if you will be you and you will understand me.
Anyway my 30 minutes past I have to drive 6 hrs more. If I can help you any repair you write here I will try help you.
Have a nice day
 
Keep the old truck and maintain it, besides you have an Aisin Trans. Forget the warranty and put some money away monthly for possible future repairs.
It's a crap shoot buying a new truck anymore, it could lead to more headaches down the road. You know what you have now!
JMHO
 
sstoner911 said:
All of what I have seen on what was rescinded, you will be disappointed.
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I tend to believe things once I actually see them come to fruition, so for now we’ll just have to hope. At this point it feels like a bit of a “wish and wait” situation, which admittedly isn’t the most reassuring.
 
I think I have come to grips, and am at peace with keeping my truck.
Now comes the decision to spend $3,500 for a 2/24 warranty, or roll the dice.

It’s my only small truck and absolutely vital to the continuation of day to day business.
Without it, we are sunk.
 
ginopan70 said:
I’m not talking about %100 but %80 Rams have emissions problem. I’m a long trip driver annd diesel mechanic driving 120.000miles/year you can calculate a daily drive for us from Medford NY to near Dayton OH. So you can think about how and which truck better for comparing and I saw in truck stops many rams always egr dpf problems. I’m driving 2021 Ram 3500 Bighorn Dually because it better than Ford 350. Ram never says no but ford says. I’m not talking like internet talks. This is real life in trucking. Maybe you didn’t get problems but a lot of people have problems even with fords. Anyway it’s just my opinion
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Not really 100% sure what you are saying. I do agree Ram seems like best work truck. Ram is VERY popular with hot shotters and I believe the Cummins/Aisin is the primary reason.
I was a previous Ford guy and had constant DPF problems
 
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