Damonb28
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Love my gen-y! Use the same calc for pin weight to figure out which gen-y model to get (22%).
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Help with Towing Calc
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Since I am looking at a pin weight of 3600 lbs, I am looking at the 5th Wheel Pin Box Replacement with Gooseneck Snaplatch Coupler, 2.5K – 4.5K pin weight range 30K Towing. They also have a 3.5K Pin Weight version but that maxes out at 3.5K (1.5K-3.5K) at 21K towing so I assume I need the 4.5K model.
Damonb28
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Go with the higher number rating version. Once it breaks in it will ride great.
H3LZSN1P3R
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Yes you will save a bit going with the gen-y but not as much as you might think a standard 5th wheel hitch rated at 20k is anywhere from 160-200lbs a standard pinbox is about 50-75lbs the
Gen-y 4.5k goosebox is 181 lbs and a goose neck ball kit is 30lbs and about 5lbs per safety chain.
So your net weight savings is going to be 50ish lbs depending on the 5th wheel hitch. the only win i see is getting a smoother ride with the 5th wheel.
Also worth noting that Gen-Y gooseneck conversions are not OEM approved. The only OEM approved gooseneck conversion is the Reese Goosebox. If you install the Gen-Y and have a frame failure you're on your own for the repair. Lippert won't void your frame warranty with a Reese.
H3LZSN1P3R
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As ridiculous as that sounds its a good point. Now it could be covered but you are in for a fight since they would have to without a doubt prove the Goose box caused the failure and you will need lawyers
This is why i hate Lippert but they have bought everyone out so they dominate the market
Kopfjager72
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Thank you much worked like a champ.
Damonb28
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[Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, just a consumer that has lived through frame failure] You are correct. Goosebox is the only "approved" because Goosebox is a Lippert product. However, if you have frame failure the manufacture (Lippert) has to prove that aftermarket part caused the failure. Goosebox and Gen-Y have the same torque/connection against the frame. I have not heard of someone's warranty being outright voided because of Gen-Y. Gen-Y will also help you go to bat as well. Their customer service is amazing.
H3LZSN1P3R
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Its not bad still a heavy unit
I have to say, I am just surprised as hell my 1 ton Ram long bed can't pull a 16K pound dual axel 5th wheel toy hauler!! I see a lot of 3/4 and 1 ton SRW's out there hauling 5th wheels all day!!!! Not interested in a dually. Very frustrated........... 
Rant over.
Rant over.
H3LZSN1P3R
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Well the thing is it can haul it no issue at all and not break or wear anything out. most people do not go and find all the weights to worry about.I have to say, I am just surprised as hell my 1 ton Ram long bed can't pull a 16K pound dual axel 5th wheel toy hauler!! I see a lot of 3/4 and 1 ton SRW's out there hauling 5th wheels all day!!!! Not interested in a dually. Very frustrated...........
If its any comfort i have had 20k on my 19 2500 no issue
Reminds me of the guy that put a 8000 lb bed camper in his 3500 dually then cried when his frame snapped. Ram denied his warranty because he was grossly overloaded.
Is it going to happen to everyone that puts 8000 lbs in their bed? Probably not. Do you want to be the one where something does break and you're left holding the bag? Also, probably not.
Point is, yeah, you can overload your truck and probably not have an issue. Or you can have a catastrophic failure and be stuck with the bill.
Is it going to happen to everyone that puts 8000 lbs in their bed? Probably not. Do you want to be the one where something does break and you're left holding the bag? Also, probably not.
Point is, yeah, you can overload your truck and probably not have an issue. Or you can have a catastrophic failure and be stuck with the bill.
I hear ya all. I may just get the trailer as we really like it for the 2 of us. See how it scales out, and if it's close, ok, if not, I can trade up to a dually. But I will order it and get everything I want. Thanks to all of you for providing guidance and info. I really appreciate it.
H3LZSN1P3R
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Thats what i would do
the dually frame is the same as the 3500srw for the most part structurally the 11.5 axle is rated at 11k from its manufacture. Really the only limiting factor OEM is the tires. Going 2-300lbs over the axle weight wont cause a failure….
That dually that snapped the frame had so much weight way past the rear axle its no surprise it broke.
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Mark Halwa
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I added my VIN and got back >{"data":{"status":"failure","status_code":"ERR_104","status_desc":"Model Year outside supported range.”}}. Looks like it is outside the model year? Is my 2021 RAM not supported?
The 19, 20, 21 have not been working for any of the known links.
Ram pooched that data/access somehow.
As a followup, I picked up the 310RL. Nice rig. We stopped at the CAT scale (FT of fuel) on the way to get the trailer. The truck weighed in at
- Steer 5240 lbs
- Drive 3540 lbs
- GW 8780 lbs
Trailer has a Onan gen set in the front at 300 lbs and we added the super solar set up (3 - 320W panels and 3 - 100 AH batteries). Otherwise no other factory additions.
We weighed truck/trailer on the way back (FT of fuel)
- Steer 5160 lbs
- Drive 6640 lbs
- Trailer 10560 lbs
- GW 22360 lbs
So I am reading this as a Pin weight of 3100 lbs. Correct? And have 360 lbs available? Not much bandwidth to play with here so it will be important how I load the trailer. There is a hidden pantry on the drive side behind the axels so most of the heavy "stuff" we plan to put here. And the griddle/grill we go on the hitch carrier on the back.
As someone mentioned earlier one of my limiting factors are the tires. I checked they have a load capacity of 3640 lbs each so I think I am pretty close but not over yet.
We are going on a shake down trip next week (50 miles away) and plan to load it as if we are going out west for 6 months. Cat scale on the way so we will know what it will weigh fully loaded.
- Steer 5240 lbs
- Drive 3540 lbs
- GW 8780 lbs
Trailer has a Onan gen set in the front at 300 lbs and we added the super solar set up (3 - 320W panels and 3 - 100 AH batteries). Otherwise no other factory additions.
We weighed truck/trailer on the way back (FT of fuel)
- Steer 5160 lbs
- Drive 6640 lbs
- Trailer 10560 lbs
- GW 22360 lbs
So I am reading this as a Pin weight of 3100 lbs. Correct? And have 360 lbs available? Not much bandwidth to play with here so it will be important how I load the trailer. There is a hidden pantry on the drive side behind the axels so most of the heavy "stuff" we plan to put here. And the griddle/grill we go on the hitch carrier on the back.
As someone mentioned earlier one of my limiting factors are the tires. I checked they have a load capacity of 3640 lbs each so I think I am pretty close but not over yet.
We are going on a shake down trip next week (50 miles away) and plan to load it as if we are going out west for 6 months. Cat scale on the way so we will know what it will weigh fully loaded.
H3LZSN1P3R
You're doing it wrong
Odd how its removing 80lbs off the steer axle