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[Lary0071]

I’ll take slow and reliable over quick and high strung any day of the week. All these small displacement forced induction applications in vehicles meant for hauling are just overworked. They lack the rotational grunt that a good heavy V8 has so you’re always into the go pedal to get the same results. High oil temps, overworked and complicated cooling systems, complicated timing control devices, overworked and abused turbos from lack of customer care (shutting down the truck right away after towing/infrequent oil changes)

If you’ve had a good one then great but in my experience that is not the norm at all

You must have mis-read my previous post. My Hemi was balls out, screaming it's death call to all who wish to hear..... My wife cruised by in the Eco dragging a giant wind sail and blew past not even trying. She actually thought I was slowing down to get her in front of me.... I was giving it hell....

 

[jetrinka]

No I understand completely and I agree you can make amazing power, even down low in the RPM band with small displacement and forced induction that yes will blow a NA V8 away. Absolutely. But at what cost? Usually a high strung, overly complicated powertrain with a lot more stressed out failure points.

Hence why I’ll happily take a nice slow V8.

 

[gimmie11s]

I’ll take slow and reliable over quick and high strung any day of the week. All these small displacement forced induction applications in vehicles meant for hauling are just overworked. They lack the rotational grunt that a good heavy V8 has so you’re always into the go pedal to get the same results. High oil temps, overworked and complicated cooling systems, complicated timing control devices, overworked and abused turbos from lack of customer care (shutting down the truck right away after towing/infrequent oil changes)

If you’ve had a good one then great but in my experience that is not the norm at all

What's your experience with the ford TT v6?

 

[gimmie11s]

You must have mis-read my previous post. My Hemi was balls out, screaming it's death call to all who wish to hear..... My wife cruised by in the Eco dragging a giant wind sail and blew past not even trying. She actually thought I was slowing down to get her in front of me.... I was giving it hell....

Sounds like a high strung v6!!

 

[jetrinka]

Been in the auto repair industry professionally for 16 years now. I see many different problems and patterns with many different vehicles.

 

[gimmie11s]

Been in the auto repair industry professionally for 16 years now. I see many different problems and patterns with many different vehicles.

So no experience with the engine we are discussing, got it.

 

[jetrinka]

Lots of experience actually but you do you. Not trying to convince anyone what to do with their own money - just sharing my own thoughts and experience. Take it for what you will

:Edit: No I have no experience with the engine being discussed. Same as everyone else. Just as others may be drawing conclusions from good experiences with their past similar powertrains, I am also drawing from my experience working on them everyday. But since it’s negative somehow that isn’t allowed…. Got it…. If it turns out this new engine is the cats meow I’ll happily say so. My comments were directed to the Ecoboost setups.

As I said you do you and I’ll do me.

 

[gimmie11s]

Lots of experience actually but you do you. Not trying to convince anyone what to do with their own money - just sharing my own thoughts and experience. Take it for what you will

:Edit: No I have no experience with the engine being discussed. Same as everyone else. Just as others may be drawing conclusions from good experiences with their past similar powertrains, I am also drawing from my experience working on them everyday. But since it’s negative somehow that isn’t allowed…. Got it…. If it turns out this new engine is the cats meow I’ll happily say so. My comments were directed to the Ecoboost setups.

As I said you do you and I’ll do me.

That's fine and all, but several in this thread DO have experience with the Ford tt v6 (me included)-- you, on the other hand do not. It's hard to articulate a point when you have 0 time in the driver's seat. That's the only point im making.

Lots of good options out there... it's a great time to be a car guy.

 

[jetrinka]

Like I said. Plenty of experience. Just different and still very valid experience.

 

[Poolmonkey]

Lots of experience actually but you do you. Not trying to convince anyone what to do with their own money - just sharing my own thoughts and experience. Take it for what you will

:Edit: No I have no experience with the engine being discussed. Same as everyone else. Just as others may be drawing conclusions from good experiences with their past similar powertrains, I am also drawing from my experience working on them everyday. But since it’s negative somehow that isn’t allowed…. Got it…. If it turns out this new engine is the cats meow I’ll happily say so. My comments were directed to the Ecoboost setups.

As I said you do you and I’ll do me.

Just investigate on YT and it will tell ,low milage and tiny motored Fords on the rack with oil and coolant leaks legion and a tangle of lines/hoses that make it nearly impossible to find them all.
My buddy, a boss mechanic for the local cable company says he will never buy another and refuses to work on his own, I pull his boat often because his truck is always in the shop. I remember when he was bragging it up..raving about his towing and mpg, this and that. Ha!
He is no fan of Dodge either, but loves the PW when his boat is making it to the lake.

Word search "Ford overheats when towing" and see what comes up, it isn't going to be a bunch of results about the 6.2..can spoil alert that.

 

[jetrinka]

Just investigate on YT and it will tell ,low milage and tiny motored Fords on the rack with oil and coolant leaks legion and a tangle of lines/hoses that make it nearly impossible to find them all.
My buddy, a boss mechanic for the local cable company says he will never buy another and refuses to work on his own, I pull his boat often because his truck is always in the shop. I remember when he was bragging it up..raving about his towing and mpg, this and that. Ha!
He is no fan of Dodge either, but loves the PW when his boat is making it to the lake.

Word search "Ford overheats when towing" and see what comes up, it isn't going to be a bunch of results about the 6.2..can spoil alert that.

Exactly.

"DISCLAIMER" - I am also not in here defending the HEMI! While I love the engine and what it does I know fully well I'll be yanking the heads and front cover at some point in its life to do the cam and lifters!!!

 

[Lary0071]

The Ecoboost was redesigned in 2018 to address the common issues. I would not have bought the King Ranch if the earlier Eco was still in it, but my personal buddy is a Ford master tech and I did talk to him before I ordered the King, and he told me to steer away from the newly refreshed 5.0L because they actually created new issues, and to go to the redesigned Eco since they really went to work at addressing the issues. You really do not see a plethora of issues with the 2018+ Eco platform. And I know I see within this group that the 10 speed is the devil... but mine and is fine in the little effer and I have multiple buddies with Powerstroke engines backed up by the 10 speed and they also have no issues.

No modern engine platform is 100% reliable. Heck, look at the crap show that is the Subaru boxer. Lots of issues with head gaskets and timing belts.

My opinion is that the Eco is still better than the 5.4L/4.6L engines that Ford had, they were the earliest iteration of the techy engines and they had growing pains to say the least.

Hemi engines have some issues we could all google about and agree on as well. No brand is immune to growing pains.

 

[jetrinka]

The Ecoboost was redesigned in 2018 to address the common issues. I would not have bought the King Ranch if the earlier Eco was still in it, but my personal buddy is a Ford master tech and I did talk to him before I ordered the King, and he told me to steer away from the newly refreshed 5.0L because they actually created new issues, and to go to the redesigned Eco since they really went to work at addressing the issues. You really do not see a plethora of issues with the 2018+ Eco platform. And I know I see within this group that the 10 speed is the devil... but mine and is fine in the little effer and I have multiple buddies with Powerstroke engines backed up by the 10 speed and they also have no issues.

No modern engine platform is 100% reliable. Heck, look at the crap show that is the Subaru boxer. Lots of issues with head gaskets and timing belts.

My opinion is that the Eco is still better than the 5.4L/4.6L engines that Ford had, they were the earliest iteration of the techy engines and they had growing pains to say the least.

Hemi engines have some issues we could all google about and agree on as well. No brand is immune to growing pains.

oooohhhh man don't get me started on the 5.4 Tritons!!!

 

[mcarey]

I feel like googling for complaints around one of the best selling truck engines is disingenuous at best. If you have over 500K motors hitting the road every year, you're likely to come across a share of problems. But I'd put my money on the idea that for every complaint you find, there are more than likely many multiples of owners without those issues. Rarely do people make praise posts/videos, when things operate as expected.

I would be curious to know the percentage of motors with problems. But that's data that I'd imagine is nearly impossible to actually come by.

 

[kevin588127]

I think the key take away is that they all seem to have a fatal flaw. Ram is lifter/cam failures, GM seems to be trans and oil burning issues. My gripe with Ford has always been electrical problems. Arguing for or against any manufacturer is pointless. I bought my first Ram knowing what the common failures were and weighed it against the common failures of the other options at the time. I chose the Ram because the lifter failure seemed like something I could deal with when the time came. My uncle is a 35 year Ford diesel tech and advised avoiding the 3.5 eco boost at that time (2015). Good enough for me. The Eco boost is a beast when it comes to power but its longevity and actual economy is questionable. I've towed right along side one that my buddy has. He was pulling a smaller trailer and we were running together, I managed 10 mpg and he got 8 mpg. No doubt in my mind that he could have left me standing at anytime but for my application, Ill keep the hemi.

 

[gimmie11s]

I feel like googling for complaints around one of the best selling truck engines is disingenuous at best. If you have over 500K motors hitting the road every year, you're likely to come across a share of problems. But I'd put my money on the idea that for every complaint you find, there are more than likely many multiples of owners without those issues. Rarely do people make praise posts/videos, when things operate as expected.

I would be curious to know the percentage of motors with problems. But that's data that I'd imagine is nearly impossible to actually come by.

Stop with the common sense, bro!

 

[tchur1]

I think the key take away is that they all seem to have a fatal flaw. Ram is lifter/cam failures, GM seems to be trans and oil burning issues. My gripe with Ford has always been electrical problems. Arguing for or against any manufacturer is pointless. I bought my first Ram knowing what the common failures were and weighed it against the common failures of the other options at the time. I chose the Ram because the lifter failure seemed like something I could deal with when the time came. My uncle is a 35 year Ford diesel tech and advised avoiding the 3.5 eco boost at that time (2015). Good enough for me. The Eco boost is a beast when it comes to power but its longevity and actual economy is questionable. I've towed right along side one that my buddy has. He was pulling a smaller trailer and we were running together, I managed 10 mpg and he got 8 mpg. No doubt in my mind that he could have left me standing at anytime but for my application, Ill keep the hemi.

This is a far to logical and thought out response for the internet.

I couldn't agree more on the points you outline. There are flaws with every powertrain, brand, model etc. Its all about measuring your personal level of risk tolerance and use case. That should drive your decision once you understand the common issues with a specific platform. There isnt a one size fits all approach to this.

At the end of the day, the TT inline 6 is coming. Those that love the V8 are eventually going to be disappointed because this is the direction the industry is heading, whether everyone is on board or not.

 

[Poolmonkey]

This is a far to logical and thought out response for the internet.

I couldn't agree more on the points you outline. There are flaws with every powertrain, brand, model etc. Its all about measuring your personal level of risk tolerance and use case. That should drive your decision once you understand the common issues with a specific platform. There isnt a one size fits all approach to this.

At the end of the day, the TT inline 6 is coming. Those that love the V8 are eventually going to be disappointed because this is the direction the industry is heading, whether everyone is on board or not.

Indeed...they are all over-teched, squeezed for milage and mandated "safety" POSs which makes them nice when new but nightmares when the warranty runs out. In the meantime and forever, I will never buy a turbo motor and especially not one with two FCS.
And, I don't know the ratio of Ford 6.2s vs the junk bitty engines out there working hard, but whatever it is could in no way account for the piles of complaints against the latter instead of the former IMO. Wondering which motor folks got when buying a truck intended to tow heavy, not sure.
The 6.2 continued to be the HD gas tow-er for them long after the minuscule motors made their unfortunate debut, now the 7.3...perhaps their engineers don't know much, can't comprehend the vast superiority of the mouse mills. Somebody from this internet realizing superior expertise should fill them in, maybe?
I was on the Ford truck forums as I am here now and the discussions about how to keep the newer motors from flopping in the heat were common and lengthy...guys obsessing over thermostats, radiators and tranny coolers like they do over Thuren and Carli here.

 

[Jsboening]

When my neighbor drives by with his Raptor I kind of chuckle because that v6 soundtrack doesn’t match the character of the truck. Lol. It like when someone puts through hull exhaust one a boat with I v6. It’s just not right. At least it plays a v8 soundtrack over the stereo system so your gtg as long as the windows are up.

 

[jadmt]

I have the opposite viseral experience when I hear a Raptor roll by. I swear I live in the land of power wagons and raptors. every day no less than 5 or 6 of each drive by when I am walking my dog. To my ear I would take the raptor sound all day long. now this is on a 45-55 mph drive by and none are getting on it. Seems like a 3.0 I6 could be built extremely robust..I won't be afraid to give one a try. Has to sound better than my sick sounding 6.4L.