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[RAM_Dad]

Other listed option of the extended range EV is interesting, would have a small gas engine to act as a generator. I bet that is their eventual plan for a diesel replacement. Monster torque but without the range issues of a pure EV.

 

[PGHChris81]

I figured Ford would have been first. They have been rumored to kibosh the V8 at Ford for like 10 years now.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I figured Ford would have been first. They have been rumored to kibosh the V8 at Ford for like 10 years now.

They finally stopped the 6.8V10 turd for 2020 thats progress i guess

 

[kevin588127]

Other listed option of the extended range EV is interesting, would have a small gas engine to act as a generator. I bet that is their eventual plan for a diesel replacement. Monster torque but without the range issues of a pure EV.

This makes the most sense to me except I would think a small diesel powered generator would work better.

 

[mcarey]

500+HP Hurricane I-6 Engine Coming to Jeep, Ram, Dodge

All-new 3.0-liter twin-turbo Hurricane will power trucks and SUVs for decades to come.

www.motortrend.com

I'm psyched.

 

[jdefoe0424]

IMO a HD 3.0 turbo gas motor that matches the 6.4 will be too highly stressed to make the mean engine life of 300k that we keep hearing for HD trucks.(think peak cylinder pressure) IF it's paired with a hybrid system then it could be a different story because the max output of the engine could be reduced and peak torque won't necessarily be needed as often with the electric motor there to boost torque on demand. There's still the issue of fleet users have to be buying them, they are the majority of HD truck purchases after all...think economies of scale.
I do see Ford being the first to bring a turbo/hybrid system to the HD market, and it is something that I would consider given my personal usage conditions...though it probably would turn my stomach to do so! The Ford part that is, I had a turbocharged DD at one point and it was great and had power everywhere in the rev range without having to scream to get up to speed quickly.
I also believe that there's a lot of regulations left to sort out here for trailering. I would imagine that in a hybrid powertrain the ICE (internal combustion engine) would still NEED to be able to maintain the standards(minimum speeds etc.) without the electric motor helping out. This is the same way that EV's still have relatively large brake rotors and calipers as you still have to be able to stop the vehicle in a reasonable distance even if the regen feature has failed.

This makes the most sense to me except I would think a small diesel powered generator would work better.

I think the problem is that a system like this increases the cost and the gains are not worth it...so a gas hybrid might be 2,500 more and a diesel hybrid might be 3,750 more(50% increase). But in the end your mpg only goes up by say 5mpg(20% increase), it takes a long time to recoup that extra "investment." Of course this mpg increase pretty much only applies to trucks not pulling trailers, which can be rare in the HD world. (Keep in mind these are just WAG's and guesstimating based on 20mpg for the gas hybrid)
Lets be real, with the majority of vehicle purchases people aren't looking to have a break even point at 150k...they're likely going to sell/trade either before the warranty runs out, or before 100k. Don't get me wrong, there's definitely people out there that drive their vehicles into the ground, but it's just not the majority in this day and age.

 

[GPurcell01]

An I-6 is a fantastic idea. I too think it definitely needs more displacement though.

 

[kevin588127]

IMO a HD 3.0 turbo gas motor that matches the 6.4 will be too highly stressed to make the mean engine life of 300k that we keep hearing for HD trucks.(think peak cylinder pressure) IF it's paired with a hybrid system then it could be a different story because the max output of the engine could be reduced and peak torque won't necessarily be needed as often with the electric motor there to boost torque on demand. There's still the issue of fleet users have to be buying them, they are the majority of HD truck purchases after all...think economies of scale.
I do see Ford being the first to bring a turbo/hybrid system to the HD market, and it is something that I would consider given my personal usage conditions...though it probably would turn my stomach to do so! The Ford part that is, I had a turbocharged DD at one point and it was great and had power everywhere in the rev range without having to scream to get up to speed quickly.
I also believe that there's a lot of regulations left to sort out here for trailering. I would imagine that in a hybrid powertrain the ICE (internal combustion engine) would still NEED to be able to maintain the standards(minimum speeds etc.) without the electric motor helping out. This is the same way that EV's still have relatively large brake rotors and calipers as you still have to be able to stop the vehicle in a reasonable distance even if the regen feature has failed.


I think the problem is that a system like this increases the cost and the gains are not worth it...so a gas hybrid might be 2,500 more and a diesel hybrid might be 3,750 more(50% increase). But in the end your mpg only goes up by say 5mpg(20% increase), it takes a long time to recoup that extra "investment." Of course this mpg increase pretty much only applies to trucks not pulling trailers, which can be rare in the HD world. (Keep in mind these are just WAG's and guesstimating based on 20mpg for the gas hybrid)
Lets be real, with the majority of vehicle purchases people aren't looking to have a break even point at 150k...they're likely going to sell/trade either before the warranty runs out, or before 100k. Don't get me wrong, there's definitely people out there that drive their vehicles into the ground, but it's just not the majority in this day and age.

I'm basing my statement off of what I've seen of the rivian pick up. Towing range is like 150 miles but basing it off of current fuel and electricity prices, the rivian can operate at about half of the cost. Now use a small (10-20kw) generator to extend its range and possibly charge the vehicle while it is sitting idle. I like the diesel option for longevity, not just the efficiency side.

 

[mcarey]

I'm basing my statement off of what I've seen of the rivian pick up. Towing range is like 150 miles but basing it off of current fuel and electricity prices, the rivian can operate at about half of the cost. Now use a small (10-20kw) generator to extend its range and possibly charge the vehicle while it is sitting idle. I like the diesel option for longevity, not just the efficiency side.

They've been talking about doing just that for a while now.

Ram Trucks to introduce a Ram 1500 electric with a range extender - EV Pulse

At the 2022 Chicago Auto Show, Ram formally introduced its Ram Revolution program to provide fans and real truck users access to the development of the electric Ram pickup truck. Heading this strategy, along with Ram’s overall execution, is Mike Koval Jr. As the CEO of Ram Trucks, it’s up to him...

www.evpulse.com

 

[Basser53]

I'm sure the i6 will just be an option for the half ton at first.. it may never make it to the hd trucks.. it all depends on acceptance..

 

[gimmie11s]

This is the same thing Ford did when they dropped a TT 3.5 v5 into the F150. Everyone on the internets cried foul, yet 10 years later--It ends up being the highest selling powertrain in a pickup for the model.

I'd take a gas turbo l6 over the 6.4 v8 any day of the week and 2x on Sunday.

 

[tchur1]

This is the same thing Ford did when they dropped a TT 3.5 v5 into the F150. Everyone on the internets cried foul, yet 10 years later--It ends up being the highest selling powertrain in a pickup for the model.

I'd take a gas turbo l6 over the 6.4 v8 any day of the week and 2x on Sunday.

Ya I totally agree. More efficient, quicker power, and so on. As others have said, ideally it would come with slightly higher displacement than 3 liters but either way its an awesome idea that hopefully we see sooner than later.

 

[jetrinka]

This is the same thing Ford did when they dropped a TT 3.5 v5 into the F150. Everyone on the internets cried foul, yet 10 years later--It ends up being the highest selling powertrain in a pickup for the model.

I'd take a gas turbo l6 over the 6.4 v8 any day of the week and 2x on Sunday.

Also turned into one of the most problematic pieces of hot trash you can put into a vehicle. Burnt up turbos, VCT and timing chain problems, water pumps internal with the timing set, coolant leaks from everywhere. I hate everything ecoboost

 

[jeffn]

We all know the 6.4L Hemi is a 250k mile engine. It will be interesting to see how long these high pressure twin-turbos and engines lasts.

old days… not long. Modern precision machining, metallurgy, high temperature lubricants, ignition systems, fuel mapping… I’d bet pretty long.

High pressure equals higher temperature, if you can manage temperature you overcome most of the challenges. Smaller displacement equals less rotating mass, which also works to your advantage for longevity.

 

[RAM_Dad]

Also turned into one of the most problematic pieces of hot trash you can put into a vehicle. Burnt up turbos, VCT and timing chain problems, water pumps internal with the timing set, coolant leaks from everywhere. I hate everything ecoboost

I guess I was lucky, my 2015 F150 2.7 was great. Tons of power and never had an issue.

 

[Poolmonkey]

Refused to buy another Raptor after they went six, gotta be kidding. My plan was to get a new one every three years. Luckily, the low milage and garage kept one I had sold last September for 15k more than I paid for it 10 years ago cause V8, paid for the PW.
Seriously...if I can't get a decent V8 from a factory when the time comes, will do a frame off on a 70s something with a crate motor and modern automatic, keep it simple/bullet proof otherwise.
Will never buy some turbo dink motor, nope.

 

[RAM_Dad]

K

 

[gimmie11s]

Also turned into one of the most problematic pieces of hot trash you can put into a vehicle. Burnt up turbos, VCT and timing chain problems, water pumps internal with the timing set, coolant leaks from everywhere. I hate everything ecoboost

They had a run of timing issues on the early motors, yes. However, no more in numbers than the Hemi eating cam and lifters.

The new stuff is by and large problem free and will lay waste to any n/a "Hemi" Mopar puts out.

I had a 2011 F150 with the 3.5 TT and that truck flat out hauled ass and ran fantastic while getting 19-20 mpg--hand calc'd per tank of mixed driving. I put 80k problem free miles on it before I sold it.

I guess I was lucky, my 2015 F150 2.7 was great. Tons of power and never had an issue.

Yes sir!

 

[Lary0071]

I kind of fancy the 2019 big Ecoboost engine. It is shocking how well it tows/pulls and the kind of real life power it tosses down.
That is pulling a Apex 289TBSS that was 28' of fiberglass body, 32' overall. Pulled like a champ up into the Laurel mountains from west of Pittsburgh. I had a 5.7L Hemi pulling my Jeep and my wife was in the Ford, I was balls out on the climb up the Laurel mountain range and she eased past me picking up speed until I called her and told her to hang back with my Ram. The Eco is no joke.

 

[jetrinka]

I’ll take slow and reliable over quick and high strung any day of the week. All these small displacement forced induction applications in vehicles meant for hauling are just overworked. They lack the rotational grunt that a good heavy V8 has so you’re always into the go pedal to get the same results. High oil temps, overworked and complicated cooling systems, complicated timing control devices, overworked and abused turbos from lack of customer care (shutting down the truck right away after towing/infrequent oil changes)

If you’ve had a good one then great but in my experience that is not the norm at all