Confused about weight ratings on 2500

[wrvond]

Not sure how to do that- I have a 5th wheel.

The 60 gallon fresh water tank on my 5er is all the way aft while the 60 gallon (combined) black and grey tanks are forward of the axles. Filling the fresh water tank full adds about 505 pounds to the rear of the camper, thereby reducing pin weight. Also, ensuring the waste water tanks are empty doesn't exactly reduce pin weight, but it doesn't add weight to the pin.
Also, being smart about how you load your camper can make a huge difference as well. Most units have the largest storage compartments forward of the axles - including pass through, landing gear compartment, under the bed and a wardrobe.

 

[Iggy]

Well just got back from motor vehicle dept and what a fudged up system. In N.S. a drivers license for a car or truck up 1 ton, which is a class 5 or 4 can only tow up to 4600 kg or 10,141 lbs. with electric brakes. If you are more than 4600 kg one has to book apt. take a small written test and then a hook-up and a short driving test and reverse parking to be able to get an endorsement 15 added to a class 5 or 4. This does not count air brakes which is a whole other ball game and one can only double tow behind a 5th wheel and can't be longer than 75 ft. including tow vehicle. So the problem is this law has always been in effect and now it is being enforced. Also asked about other provinces and the only reason my friend was fined, is because they know about this law and they are looking into the possibility of the same. Its a money grab! So my friend is now at his lawyers office and will call me later. what a crock of ****! People should be informed of this when registering a TT or 5er. WOW been a morning

 

[Iggy]

Hi all,

My Ram 2500 6.4l shows a 10,000 GVWR, but has a front axle GAWR of 5500, and a rear axle GAWR of 6390. Why is the truck not rated for 5500 + 6390= 11,890?
I weighed it with my trailer yesterday and the front axle weighed 4320, and the rear weighed 6180 for a total of 10,500- which is 500 over the 10k listed GVWR. I'm confused!
Can anyone help a feeble-minded old guy understand this?

My truck, 21 ram 2500HD 6.4l 4x4 bighorn cc sport longbox 4:10 gearing, has the same numbers on the door as yours. Well, after all the problems my friend is having, I found out some info that may be of use here. I'm not arguing about anything just stating what I've found about the GVWR of 10.000 lbs on my door sticker. Vehicle Manufacturing companies, most all, are being governed by Insurance companies through our government to keep that GVWR 10,000 lbs (4536 kg) as close to the 4600 kg (10,140 lbs). This was found from, my friend with all the fines, talking to lawyer and the insurance people yesterday and me talking to my insurance company this AM. This is why your door numbers don't add up. It is more of a money grab then anything. Courses, road tests and upgrades to licenses. Also the fact that little has to be changed on manufacturing lines between different levels of trucks, as mentioned in an earlier post. OK, this is in Nova Scotia but info adds up which looks like it will be in other provinces soon, as that is how Ont. and N.B. knew. Chev and Ford GVWR's I'm told are the same but I haven't confirmed that. Please don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Brutal_HO]

My truck, 21 ram 2500HD 6.4l 4x4 bighorn cc sport longbox 4:10 gearing, has the same numbers on the door as yours. Well, after all the problems my friend is having, I found out some info that may be of use here. I'm not arguing about anything just stating what I've found about the GVWR of 10.000 lbs on my door sticker. Vehicle Manufacturing companies, most all, are being governed by Insurance companies through our government to keep that GVWR 10,000 lbs (4536 kg) as close to the 4600 kg (10,140 lbs). This was found from, my friend with all the fines, talking to lawyer and the insurance people yesterday and me talking to my insurance company this AM. This is why your door numbers don't add up. It is more of a money grab then anything. Courses, road tests and upgrades to licenses. Also the fact that little has to be changed on manufacturing lines between different levels of trucks, as mentioned in an earlier post. OK, this is in Nova Scotia but info adds up which looks like it will be in other provinces soon, as that is how Ont. and N.B. knew. Chev and Ford GVWR's I'm told are the same but I haven't confirmed that. Please don't shoot the messenger.

Both GM and Ford offer 2500 models well above 10K GVWR.

These are all US based company's. Don't see how Canadian insurance companies are affecting limits on payloads. LOL.

 

[Iggy]

Both GM and Ford offer 2500 models well above 10K GVWR.

These are all US based company's. Don't see how Canadian insurance companies are affecting limits on payloads. LOL.

Yes we used to be able to get those trucks also. I haven't seen a Ram 2500 like that since 18. I'm RAM all the way since 1979. Bought a new 1979 Ram Warlock II by Dodge. Pics are old but will do. Had a 440 cross plain intake with twin 650 double pumpers. I miss that truck. Had it for 19 yrs. So, example; just look at your headlight setup on a US truck and a Can truck. I can't go into setup and turn off my DRL and just have the tubes around my lights on. If I want just the tubes on, the parks need to be on and the fog lamps because Canadian Insurance, ALL OF CANADA, say the tubes on there own are not bright enough to be DRL I find all this hard to believe also, but as in life changes are made first in small places. This is just what I see.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Yes we used to be able to get those trucks also. I haven't seen a Ram 2500 like that since 18. I'm RAM all the way since 1979. Bought a new 1979 Ram Warlock II by Dodge. Pics are old but will do. Had a 440 cross plain intake with twin 650 double pumpers. I miss that truck. Had it for 19 yrs. So, example; just look at your headlight setup on a US truck and a Can truck. I can't go into setup and turn off my DRL and just have the tubes around my lights on. If I want just the tubes on, the parks need to be on and the fog lamps because Canadian Insurance, ALL OF CANADA, say the tubes on there own are not bright enough to be DRL I find all this hard to believe also, but as in life changes are made first in small places. This is just what I see.

But with the proper equipment, the BCM (Body Computer) allows changes to DRL to act like a US market truck.

 

[RockaRhyme]

Both GM and Ford offer 2500 models well above 10K GVWR.

These are all US based company's. Don't see how Canadian insurance companies are affecting limits on payloads. LOL.

Canada is a huge market, supplier, trading partner, and manufacturer for American vehicles and their parts, so I'm sure they do have some sway with American manufacturers.

Ford offers a "fixed 10k pounds GVWR" package for their HD trucks. I can't say WHY they offer a 10k package, but I'd assume de-rating the GVWR has something to do with the topics being discussed in this thread.

 

[RockaRhyme]

ah. chevy has a 10k GVWR option too. Feel like Ram has just decided that the 2500 IS the 10k option of the 3500, where Ford and Chevy have decided to make 10k an optional add-on for those who need it, whatever the reason. A mistake on Ram's part IMHO

Rams approach is if you want the look and power of an HD with a closer to half-ton ride, buy a 2500. If you want the true numbers of an HD truck, then buy the 3500. Problem is that in the truck market it's the numbers that really set you apart for most folks and so why would I buy a Ram with 1k-2k less capacity than a comparable Ford or Chevy, whether I need it or not and ignoring that the Ram 2500 can likely handle more than it's rated for.

 

[Iggy]

But with the proper equipment, the BCM (Body Computer) allows changes to DRL to act like a US market truck.

Yes you are right, but that doesn't mean its legal. LOL

 

[Iggy]

ah. chevy has a 10k GVWR option too. Feel like Ram has just decided that the 2500 IS the 10k option of the 3500, where Ford and Chevy have decided to make 10k an optional add-on for those who need it, whatever the reason. A mistake on Ram's part IMHO

Rams approach is if you want the look and power of an HD with a closer to half-ton ride, buy a 2500. If you want the true numbers of an HD truck, then buy the 3500. Problem is that in the truck market it's the numbers that really set you apart for most folks and so why would I buy a Ram with 1k-2k less capacity than a comparable Ford or Chevy, whether I need it or not and ignoring that the Ram 2500 can likely handle more than it's rated for.

So does the 2500 6.4l 4x4 longbox have the same sticker ratings as the 3500 6.4l SRW

 

[RockaRhyme]

So does the 2500 6.4l 4x4 longbox have the same sticker ratings as the 3500 6.4l SRW

No. the 3500 adds some payload. the 2500s all max out at 10k GVRW regardless of trim and config. The 3500s range from 10.7k to 11.1k for the SRW gasser. The diesels get up to 12.3k in SRW... I think. don't quote me on that one.

 

[RockaRhyme]

Yeah, this why do many of us feel that the 10k GVWR of the 2500 is de-rated or otherwise artificial. No matter what you do with the 2500 you get 10k, but the 3500 and ford/chevy 3/4 and 1 HDs have a ton of variance in available GVWR dependent on engine, wheelbase, and option before you even start talking DRW.