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UglyViking said:
I always say that with the rate tickets are handed out for everything, and the fact that information is so widely available online, you'd assume that you would see a ton of guys posting on FB, forums, etc. about how they got tagged for being over. I don't think I've ever seen a post about someone being ticketed, towed, civilly sued, or losing insurance/license for towing over. I have seen reports of events happening, but it's usually due to a large number of factors, not a single item.

Again, it all comes down to risk tolerance per individual. That said, while I don't know the numbers I can all but guarantee that your risk of being killed by someone towing/overloaded are orders of magnitude lower than being killed by a drunk driver. That is not to say that I encourage drunk driving, but that it happens every day so if you're focused on risk you probably shouldn't drive at night, early in the morning, or on the weekends after 12:00pm…
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and with them youngsters and their cell phones you should never drive as you never know when they will receive a text and in the process of replying they end up going head on with you
 
Again, thanks for all the great information I have received since joining this forum. I will keep all of these post in mind while I start my first travel adventure to the south towing my travel trailer.
 
@Sapper-8
Lots of Johnson waiving and hyperbole in this thread. And since opinions are like *******s and I happen to be one... Here is mine. If you are not in the US then just stop reading here and move on.
If yes, the NHTSA (not the airport ball fondlers (looking at you @Brutal_HO ) the other one) is who sets the federal standards for safety...and then the states add to if they feel so inclined. So, that said if there is an incident (especially involving people property or livestock) your insurance and or personal liability could be weighed against those governances. (fault not withstanding)

Notice I said could.

Recommendation 1: not worth the risk.
Recommendation 2: seek practical info to make your decisions clearer
Recommendation 3: don't listen to me or any forum "Sherpas" regarding liability.... Cause if the unfortunate happens, it's just you and your big boy pants.. FWIW
 

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Ostracize said:
@Sapper-8
Lots of Johnson waiving and hyperbole in this thread. And since opinions are like *******s and I happen to be one... Here is mine. If you are not in the US then just stop reading here and move on.
If yes, the NHTSA (not the airport ball fondlers (looking at you @Brutal_HO ) the other one) is who sets the federal standards for safety...and then the states add to if they feel so inclined. So, that said if there is an incident (especially involving people property or livestock) your insurance and or personal liability could be weighed against those governances. (fault not withstanding)

Notice I said could.

Recommendation 1: not worth the risk.
Recommendation 2: seek practical info to make your decisions clearer
Recommendation 3: don't listen to me or any forum "Sherpas" regarding liability.... Cause if the unfortunate happens, it's just you and your big boy pants.. FWIW
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I've only been fondled once, but it was two guys so...
 
all this talk about weights lol I threw my new rv on the bumper and rolled out.

here are the trailer specs. I have a '19 peasant, 4x4 short bed 4dr. am I a bad boy?

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Ostracize said:
@Sapper-8
So, that said if there is an incident (especially involving people property or livestock) your insurance and or personal liability could be weighed against those governances. (fault not withstanding)

Notice I said could.
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I agree with this, and to add to it, this is also true of any incident, especially one resulting in people, property or livestock damage. Speeding or determined to be driving at an unsafe speed for the conditions? Same issue. "Distracted driving" by changing music, messing with maps, trying to snag a few french fries? Same issue.

The fact of the matter is that the driver assumes responsibility for any and all issues. In fact even if you're pulled over a lot of states won't even cite you for being overloaded unless you're well over GAWRs. Same as most states won't pull you over for doing 5 over.
 
here in ontario canada the 10,000lbs rate was a driver liscence issue,if you went over the 10,000lbs you needed to get a class a witch is a cdl,that has now changed if youre towing your rv you don't need a cdl as long as you stay under the 11000kg witch is max on class g liscence,the registered sticker weight on your registration changes the cost of you're renewable sticker every year, some people don't put the proper weight just to try and cheat to pay less ,my gmc sierra 3500 dually is plated for 4800kg so my sticker price here in ontario is about 300.00 dollars verses less than 200.00 and if youre registered weight is less, if pulled over they can issue a citation,also over 4600kg, an e test is manditory weather its a 2500 or 3500 series.when they do enforcement spot checks they use portable scales,its totaly illegal and imorral to pass the max of your vehicle,for you to put the family in the truck when exciding the truck capacity is plain wrong,you want to endanger your life or someone else, do it alone on an empty road,and if you do have an accident in ontario and someone has a smart lawyer weather your at fault or not if you get caught with a overloaded truck youre insurance company will leave you hight and dry,it has happened here,the truck anf fifth was not at fault until the scale came to the seen,he became responsible for the hole mess,my insurance renewable contract requires me to check mark a clause that it is my responsibilty to make sure that my truck is capable of towing my rv,and in any case the driver is responsible for what you're driving regardles if your the owner or not
 
I can't personally speak to any country outside the one where I reside. I'm not familiar with the laws around towing, payload or license requirements in Canada, as I'm not a Canadian resident. Perhaps some of the other northern diesel bros here can add their thoughts.

That said, I'm not going to get into an emotionally charged discussion on towing over the sticker. I feel that I've laid out a pretty fair argument as to why the payload number "doesn't matter" and why the GAWR does.

I think another important thing to keep in mind is that an inexperience driver could purchase a new single cab hemi 2wd and legally tow a much larger amount of weight than a crew cab cummins 4wd truck, even though the crew cab would be more stable, and the cummins would both pull and stop better due to the exhaust brake. It's also very interesting that every truck somehow has the same max weight, without considering things like frame length, engine, etc. Not to mention that 10k seems to also be the magic number across all the 2500 trucks.

Finally, and I say this without attempting to be snarky. I appreciate you took the time to write out all these thoughts, but spelling, punctuation and sentence/paragraph structure is going to go a long way to making your argument more salient.
 
There comes a point in every thread wherein no new information is presented, where all meaningful discussion has ceased, and the various sides of the discussion have either made their case or chosen to abstain; it is at that point that the thread should be closed.

This thread is quickly reaching that point.


P.S. Wall-of-text looks like spam and is either unread by most or deleted by mods.
 
I have never heard of an insurance company saying they won’t step up on covering an accident because you exceeded GVWR but not GAWR. Is there any real world examples of that? I hear doomsday and liability hype but I’ve never seen a post that detailed any facts relating to an insurance company not covering an accident under that example. With all the vehicles that appear to be overloaded, including commercial vehicles, you would think there would be news of this sort of thing happening everywhere.
 
tammlyn said:
here in ontario canada the 10,000lbs rate was a driver liscence issue,if you went over the 10,000lbs you needed to get a class a witch is a cdl,that has now changed if youre towing your rv you don't need a cdl as long as you stay under the 11000kg witch is max on class g liscence,the registered sticker weight on your registration changes the cost of you're renewable sticker every year, some people don't put the proper weight just to try and cheat to pay less ,my gmc sierra 3500 dually is plated for 4800kg so my sticker price here in ontario is about 300.00 dollars verses less than 200.00 and if youre registered weight is less, if pulled over they can issue a citation,also over 4600kg, an e test is manditory weather its a 2500 or 3500 series.when they do enforcement spot checks they use portable scales,its totaly illegal and imorral to pass the max of your vehicle,for you to put the family in the truck when exciding the truck capacity is plain wrong,you want to endanger your life or someone else, do it alone on an empty road,and if you do have an accident in ontario and someone has a smart lawyer weather your at fault or not if you get caught with a overloaded truck youre insurance company will leave you hight and dry,it has happened here,the truck anf fifth was not at fault until the scale came to the seen,he became responsible for the hole mess,my insurance renewable contract requires me to check mark a clause that it is my responsibilty to make sure that my truck is capable of towing my rv,and in any case the driver is responsible for what you're driving regardles if your the owner or not
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Any recreational vehicle is exempt from the Registered GVWR in ontario and has been for decades
 
spinned said:
I have never heard of an insurance company saying they won’t step up on covering an accident because you exceeded GVWR but not GAWR. Is there any real world examples of that? I hear doomsday and liability hype but I’ve never seen a post that detailed any facts relating to an insurance company not covering an accident under that example. With all the vehicles that appear to be overloaded, including commercial vehicles, you would think there would be news of this sort of thing happening everywhere.
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Exactly if this was the case basically any 1/2 ton would be not covered if it had any amount of weight in it
 
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