Any towing in that timeframe and are you currently using the archoil? Just curious.
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Automatic Regen too often
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Other than a recent quirk, mine has done only 24 regens and ALWAYS shows 0% on the EVIC and I think it has been shown that it is best to ignore the EVIC DPF screen. My truck recently did an early regen, well before 24 hours, because of bad fuel I think. My iDash showed a very high % when it went into regen, but the EVIC still showed 0% even with the early regen. If a truck has an iDash or a ScanGuard installed, that seems to be a better indicator of what is actually going on with the DPF.
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Unless the dash went to ~45% it was a 24 hour based regen. How did you track hours?
2.5x?? The new tires are over 125lbs?
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No towing, and I'm using the 2oz performance dose of the 6500. I did 6400d about 1000 miles ago. Not long before the prior regen
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I have a log, and take photos of the beginning and end
Also note I'm running 295-65-20 tires instead of stock so miles need to add 1 per 20 or 5 per 100
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If the EVIC was at 12.5% then it was a 24 hour based regen, but the way the dash hour meter works it only showed 20 hours. Likely it had just ticked up on both idle and drive hours right as you finished and it's likely to be at xx.8- xx.9 hours on both idle and dive hours now and you'll add 2 hours quickly. It's a rare occurrence, but more likely than a 24 hour regen at 20 hours. I've seen 23-26 hours on the hour meter between 24 hour regens and also seen the hour meter jump 2 hours in minutes from both idle and drive rolling to the next hour.
As for the tires they are only 12lbs heavier, so 1.21x heavier not 2.5x heavier.
T143
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I am following this very closely and I am laughing but in a good way please no disrespect to this whole saga. I am very interested in this and hope someone can figure this out.
We deal with this everyday but the complete opposite, the vehicles we work on dont regen when they should and its for many reasons, temp sensors, SCR not injecting because of blocking up, SCR quality or quantity monitoring, SCR pumps failing or not reading AdBlue levels, low pressure EGR filters clogging, software, even throttle body's not working the way they should, air leaks, poor fuel quality, pressure differential sensors, and poor driving conditions its insane. There is no time based regen on these vehicles, its passive under the correct conditions or active under the correct conditions. The Ram system is fascinating and someone has mentioned something that makes lots of sense, compare the problem child components to-the good child components. Is there no independent Ram specialist that has the capability to reprogram control units.
We ate a independent specialist and have full access to all factory programming updating you name it we can do what any dealer can do except repair vehicles under warranty and claim it back from the manufacturer.
Just this week so far three induction leaks and two throttle body’s causing non regen happening.
Sorry for the love letter.
We deal with this everyday but the complete opposite, the vehicles we work on dont regen when they should and its for many reasons, temp sensors, SCR not injecting because of blocking up, SCR quality or quantity monitoring, SCR pumps failing or not reading AdBlue levels, low pressure EGR filters clogging, software, even throttle body's not working the way they should, air leaks, poor fuel quality, pressure differential sensors, and poor driving conditions its insane. There is no time based regen on these vehicles, its passive under the correct conditions or active under the correct conditions. The Ram system is fascinating and someone has mentioned something that makes lots of sense, compare the problem child components to-the good child components. Is there no independent Ram specialist that has the capability to reprogram control units.
We ate a independent specialist and have full access to all factory programming updating you name it we can do what any dealer can do except repair vehicles under warranty and claim it back from the manufacturer.
Just this week so far three induction leaks and two throttle body’s causing non regen happening.
Sorry for the love letter.
Postive update. Just completed a 2700 mile trip to Florida towing 2600lbs. In my 49hrs of driving I hit both 24 hr regens with 0 grams of soot in my dpf the whole trip. This was confirmed with alfaobd several times. This trip consisted of 80% highway then the other 20% under 25mph. (Island and music city broadway). So far the truck has had the China MAF, two differential pressure sensors, one particle matter sensor and one pcm update. Hopefully the truck is fixed. The real test is how many miles without a trailer will the truck go before a regen.
oledirteh
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something no one's mentioned and not sure if it's even feasible to consider part of the issue.
In the 2018 model and even my 2009 model, between the air filter and the turbo piping is a baffle. i had them removed as it was just a pull out with foam on it. we did it so you can hear the Nagasaki boi make the whistles.
i was going to install my banks setup yesterday and pulled the old air box out and decided to take the thing apart. the difference in the baffling is that its way thicker, and way heavier than previous years. i never did it with my 21 as they used the metal non reuseable clamp/strap so i just left it. on the 24 i broke the strap off and pulled the baffel and used a giant hose clamp.
not sure if thats a thing to try, or if it would affect anything or not. but i know the older 6.7's were a curved pass-through baffle where these are thicker and weird looking
In the 2018 model and even my 2009 model, between the air filter and the turbo piping is a baffle. i had them removed as it was just a pull out with foam on it. we did it so you can hear the Nagasaki boi make the whistles.
i was going to install my banks setup yesterday and pulled the old air box out and decided to take the thing apart. the difference in the baffling is that its way thicker, and way heavier than previous years. i never did it with my 21 as they used the metal non reuseable clamp/strap so i just left it. on the 24 i broke the strap off and pulled the baffel and used a giant hose clamp.
not sure if thats a thing to try, or if it would affect anything or not. but i know the older 6.7's were a curved pass-through baffle where these are thicker and weird looking
OLEJOE
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I put mine in Notes in my phone. Also set one up in Numbers app. But I am definitely no programmer.
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I wanted to check in here. I have a 22 as well. I am currently at 30,000 miles, all of which have been put on in the last 13 months. I daily drive mine to work which is 80 miles round trip mostly going 70-80 mph the whole time. Up until recently my DPF gauge would rarely get over the 1/4 mark and my truck would only Regen at the automatic 24 engine hour interval.
Now over the last month it is doing a Regen sometimes on Mondays and then again on Thursday of the same week which is only 80-120 miles of driving depending on if it does it on the way home or the way to work. A couple weekends ago we went out of town with the camper which was a 550 miles round trip. When we left the dpf gauge was between 1/4 and 1/2 full and after 30min pulling it was at 0 and stayed there on the whole trip. After that the truck didn’t Regen again for 8 days.
It did a Regen on my way home from work yesterday which finished within a couple miles of my home. I got in to drive to work this morning and after about 10 minutes on the road I decided to check the dpf and it was just under the 1/4 mark already after about 6 miles of driving. It stayed there all the way to work.
I don’t know why it’s doing this now, nothing has changed. Because of my driving my regens always happen on the freeway and are able to finish before I park the truck. I haven’t gotten any check engine lights and the truck is running fine but I’m getting concerned because it shouldn’t be doing a Regen this often.
Now over the last month it is doing a Regen sometimes on Mondays and then again on Thursday of the same week which is only 80-120 miles of driving depending on if it does it on the way home or the way to work. A couple weekends ago we went out of town with the camper which was a 550 miles round trip. When we left the dpf gauge was between 1/4 and 1/2 full and after 30min pulling it was at 0 and stayed there on the whole trip. After that the truck didn’t Regen again for 8 days.
It did a Regen on my way home from work yesterday which finished within a couple miles of my home. I got in to drive to work this morning and after about 10 minutes on the road I decided to check the dpf and it was just under the 1/4 mark already after about 6 miles of driving. It stayed there all the way to work.
I don’t know why it’s doing this now, nothing has changed. Because of my driving my regens always happen on the freeway and are able to finish before I park the truck. I haven’t gotten any check engine lights and the truck is running fine but I’m getting concerned because it shouldn’t be doing a Regen this often.
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The best suggestion I can give is to take photos of the DPF screen when it starts an active regen, and also the hour meter. Additionally take a photo of the DPF screen once completed. Then have a log book handy you can update. I had that, and it helped when it came time to get my truck checked out as I had evidence it was regening every 20-50 miles yet never triggered a CEL. My driving is 90% highway. It's 30 miles of highway to the closest town I do work in.
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I ended up calling and talking to a guy in the service department at the dealer where I bought it. I told him I was going to do exactly what you suggested. I just got home and after my 80 mile round trip today it still stayed just below the 1/4 mark. I’ll be watching and documenting diligently. Thanks
Has anyone thought about wrapping the DPF with header wrap to try to raise the retained heat enough to regen with daily driving? I don’t think it’d be of as much benefit for a truck consistently towing though. Might retain too much heat.
I wondered about this too…..I went to go remove the baffle and noticed it was very different from previous years, so I decided to leave it in. I would be curious if anyone has removed and what the impact has been.
I pulled the baffle on my 19 6.7 and have 4k miles on it since. No issues or gains of mpg. Definitely a notice in engine braking and sound overall.
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Small update. It's been 5800 miles approximately since my dpf and maf were replaced. I had used 6500 with every fill up except 2 treatments of 6400d. One when I picked up the truck from the dealer, and another 3000 miles later. The 6500 is gone (always did performance dose) and I'm on my 2nd tank of no archoil. 2 things noted - I haven't had the soot build in the mornings I had on 6500, and my most recent regen was the shortest I've ever recorded at 16 miles. Before I ever had problems it would take about 25 miles to regen, and during the problems when it was regening every 20-50 miles some regwns took 60 miles. These last 2 tanks my dpf gauge never once moved off of 0. Due to the issues I had previously, my evic never leaves the DPF soot load screen except to reset the trip odometer when I fill with fuel.
Additionally, just a reminder, about 3000 miles ago I went to 295-65-20 tires. 2" taller and heavier. I am averaging right at 18.1mpg (hand calculated) with a significant portion of that highway running 70-80mph.
I'm not sure if it's the tires, new maf, or new dpf but I am achieving passive regen (it seems) much much easier. That mileage included one trip with an empty 5x10 enclosed trailer at approximately 2000 miles post dealer pick up, just before the new tires, on the one occasion it seemed to be acting up again so that it would passive regen. Ultimately it regened anyways, but outside of this one blip things seem to be working better at a minimum due to the extra work the tires are making the truck do.
Additionally, just a reminder, about 3000 miles ago I went to 295-65-20 tires. 2" taller and heavier. I am averaging right at 18.1mpg (hand calculated) with a significant portion of that highway running 70-80mph.
I'm not sure if it's the tires, new maf, or new dpf but I am achieving passive regen (it seems) much much easier. That mileage included one trip with an empty 5x10 enclosed trailer at approximately 2000 miles post dealer pick up, just before the new tires, on the one occasion it seemed to be acting up again so that it would passive regen. Ultimately it regened anyways, but outside of this one blip things seem to be working better at a minimum due to the extra work the tires are making the truck do.
CaptainMike
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After DPF replacement mine functioned much like yours. For about 4 months. The regen issue is getting cranky again with a couple of low mileage interval soot based regens recently. I'm still getting passive regens, but they're taking longer and I have to work the truck harder. I run 295/70/18 and they never made any difference with my regen problems. I am happy for you that your truck is functioning more or less as intended, I was happy when mine was. Something is terribly wrong with these trucks and I believe the DPF is a symptom, not a cause. I know you monitor your truck closely, and I don't want to rain on your parade, but don't be surprised if it starts getting cranky as well.