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Thuren Level + Factory Rear Air, 3500 Dually

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amazing you think a rear spring pack on a 3500 only has 2 main leafs.....

More amazing that you don’t, especially when there are photos in this thread that show them to you and how the truck only rides on 2 leaves in normal ride height.

I’m also not sure why you think 2 main leaves is such a big deal since the standard spring suspension only has 3 main leaves.

You haven’t enlightened us with what you call a set of springs that aren’t engaged empty, and only engage under load are called….. we know what the rest of the world calls them, so we’re just waiting on your term.
 

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Of course everyone else is wrong but you....so I should absolutely tow in alt trailer height?
 

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Of course everyone else is wrong but you....so I should absolutely tow in alt trailer height?

Who is everyone else? They have been called overloads on the auto-level since it was debuted on the 3500.

Remember, you sold your auto-level 3500. You can do whatever you want in your 2500.
 

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We know you said that, but you’re still wrong.

He doesn’t do a very good job with his video and technical terms, so you can go with what he says as gospel or you go with what it actually is. He gets the gist across, but isn't as technical as he should be for a video you want to get an education from. :rolleyes:

The standard spring suspension has upper and lower overloads, the video only calls out the upper overloads. The standard spring suspension is a 3/1+2 and then the HO axle wrap leaf as well. The 3/1 denotes 3 mains leaves and a single lower overload, the +2 is the upper overload. It’s been that way, minus the HO axle wrap leaf, since 2003.

He then calls the auto-level spring pack a 4 leaf main pack, which it’s not. It’s a 2 leaf main pack and that can even be seen in his video with a separation of the upper and lower leaves. It’s a 2+2 pack, and has been a version of that since it was released in 2015. If it was a 4 leaf main pack all 4 leaves would support the truck at all times. They don’t, which is very obvious.

The difference in the two overload setups is that you can’t decide when the overloads are engaged on a standard spring suspension, but you can on an auto-level.

Just for S&G’s, what would you call a set of springs that isn’t utilized normally, but is utilized when loaded?

Unfortunately there isn’t a lot published by Ram on the suspensions and even some that is wrong. It calls the 3500 a closed system, it’s actually an open system. The video on using it shows the bed lowering screen for alternate ride height engagement.

It would be great to get some good info, but even 9 years later it’s still sub par.



There are no upper overloads on the auto-level truck, but don’t fall for that videos incorrect labeling of the main pack as a 4 leaf pack. It’s a 2+2 pack.

Here is a photo from eBay. It does a good job showing how it’s a 2+2 pack with 2 mains and 2 overloads.

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Overloads are any spring that is not engaged when empty at normal ride height (air assisted suspension or not). They are solely there to support additional weight when the suspension gets loaded.



No, it’s not required for any load. What you find is a better ride and better handling when you use it. The 2 main leaves are rather soft, which is where we get our nice ride, so when you load up the truck and keep the suspension on the normal mode it takes a lot of air in the airbags which makes for a rough ride. By using alternate trailer height you engage the overloads (if they weren’t overloads they would already be in use) and get that additional support so the airbags don’t have to be as stiff. This also provides better axle wrap control and later stability.

So no, using alternate is never required… just like T/H and the exhaust brake, but we can benefit from all the tools we have to improve the vehicles performance .

It also affords less chance a bag will burst when loaded to the max payload and slamming into a road imperfection. Recall a member here running SRW with air and a too large widebody 5th wheel that busted a bag running in normal mode.
 

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Of course everyone else is wrong but you....so I should absolutely tow in alt trailer height?

Fact is, you are wrong and he is right.

The 3500 air assist trucks have 2 main (primary) leaves in the pack and 2 overload leaves on the bottom.

The 3500 trucks have 3 primary leaves, a lower overload on the dually, an upper set (pair) of overloads on the top.

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The HO gets an extra leaf with the rear half in contact with the pack, and the front acting as an anti-wrap.

On the HO SRW the lower overload is absent.

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I know, let's see what Thuren has to say:



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Mega Cabs are heavier and will have different ride heights for the same lift (level).

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Se where it says "OVERLOAD LEAF?"

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Carli; (Ford shown, but the use of "overload" on a lower thick/short spring still applies.

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Or Torklift:

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These overloads all not only carry additional weight, but reduce body roll, as does the ALT TRAILER HEIGHT mode.
 

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here ya go @AH64ID

now you can educate yourself of the differences between air and non air spring packs......like i said....no overloads on the air spring packs....


JB reviews is notoriously lacking on many important facts and technical detail and comprehensive understanding of them. He's a youtube "reviewer."
 

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Fact is, you are wrong and he is right.

The 3500 air assist trucks have 2 main (primary) leaves in the pack and 2 overload leaves on the bottom.

The 3500 trucks have 3 primary leaves, a lower overload on the dually, an upper set (pair) of overloads on the top.

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The HO gets an extra leaf with the rear half in contact with the pack, and the front acting as an anti-wrap.

On the HO SRW the lower overload is absent.

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For reference I don’t know a whole lot about the air ride suspension and am following this thread to learn.

I am not disagreeing with you about you saying the HO SRW 3500 doesn’t have an overload on the bottom but on my 2023 3500 HO SRW I needed to remove my overload spring and it was on the bottom of the leaf pack.


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