Me three!Seems so easy when succinctly stated like this! I guess I am just old and from the magical school of simple, logical, thinking.
Me three!Seems so easy when succinctly stated like this! I guess I am just old and from the magical school of simple, logical, thinking.
You mean buying a chevy? Because Ford still uses the CP4, so I don't quite understand why you would swap one CP4 for another CP4, especially considering the Ford can't be retrofitted. I suppose you could go chevy but it's ugly as sin, the GMC looks nice but you can't really put nice sized wheels without jacking the thing to the sky.^^^^^
I’ll be the difference between keeping mine, or going to another brand.
Isn’t the failure rate a lot lower in the Ford? I think I remember reading the cp4 in the Ram spins faster, or something along those lines.You mean buying a chevy? Because Ford still uses the CP4, so I don't quite understand why you would swap one CP4 for another CP4, especially considering the Ford can't be retrofitted. I suppose you could go chevy but it's ugly as sin, the GMC looks nice but you can't really put nice sized wheels without jacking the thing to the sky.
I think at this point just keep the thing and swap a CP3.
No hard data on this but it would appear that the failure rate of the Ford is lower than the RAM. The RAM CP4 is indeed overdriven, by 50% at that, so it would make sense it's seeing more failures. No one outside Ford/FCA/Bosch know these numbers.Isn’t the failure rate a lot lower in the Ford? I think I remember reading the cp4 in the Ram spins faster, or something along those lines.
Remember dealers also removed the bed step without warning from customers' trucks when they were being serviced. Just wait until you see them remove the CP4 as a preventive measureDidn't it take them 6 months for a "service solution" on the bed step (actually a recall) that did not involve just removing it? Hopefully this service solution is more thought out....
Must be the overdriving of the pump that makes it worse than the Ford failures. A local pump shop I discussed the cp4 and he said if you have the CP4 on a Ford to get the bypass kit on it so if it becomes a glitter bomb it does not spread to the injectors. I think the S&S kit is $300 or so. Several guys I know have the 6.7L Ford and had no idea about the CP4 issue and have not had it happen to them. Father in-law of a buddy of my son had his CP4 fail on his 2019. No details of miles or what all it took out. Just that it was warrantyNo hard data on this but it would appear that the failure rate of the Ford is lower than the RAM. The RAM CP4 is indeed overdriven, by 50% at that, so it would make sense it's seeing more failures. No one outside Ford/FCA/Bosch know these numbers.
Sounds like a compelling reason to swap one cp4 for another to me. It's been a couple months ago, but the service advisor at my dealer said they had 3 trucks in with cp4 failures waiting on parts. One with less than 4k miles. This is not a big town dealer. I don't like the odds one bit, and I'm seriously considering a Ford if this "service solution" does not pan out (not looking good). I like the chevy drivetrain, but dang those trucks are ugly!No hard data on this but it would appear that the failure rate of the Ford is lower than the RAM. The RAM CP4 is indeed overdriven, by 50% at that, so it would make sense it's seeing more failures. No one outside Ford/FCA/Bosch know these numbers.
Overall I wouldn't doubt that the CP4 on the Ford is more reliable. At least during my time of exploring and comparing the two I barely saw any mention of the CP4, vs the Ram forums have been more up in arms about it. It's nice that S&S offers the bypass kit so that if the CP4 grenades it doesn't wreck the engine, only the fuel system back of the pump.Must be the overdriving of the pump that makes it worse than the Ford failures. A local pump shop I discussed the cp4 and he said if you have the CP4 on a Ford to get the bypass kit on it so if it becomes a glitter bomb it does not spread to the injectors. I think the S&S kit is $300 or so. Several guys I know have the 6.7L Ford and had no idea about the CP4 issue and have not had it happen to them. Father in-law of a buddy of my son had his CP4 fail on his 2019. No details of miles or what all it took out. Just that it was warranty
I agree, odds aren't great. That said I don't fully understand that swap. Ford is generally a little more expensive than Ram on like for like items so even if you get all the money for your Ram you're gonna pay a little more to get it similarly equipped. Then you've gotta deal with the death wobble that seems to be more prevent on the Ford than the Ram.Sounds like a compelling reason to swap one cp4 for another to me. It's been a couple months ago, but the service advisor at my dealer said they had 3 trucks in with cp4 failures waiting on parts. One with less than 4k miles. This is not a big town dealer. I don't like the odds one bit, and I'm seriously considering a Ford if this "service solution" does not pan out (not looking good). I like the chevy drivetrain, but dang those trucks are ugly!
yes, I could swap in a cp3 for less than I would lose in trade in, but at that point I’d be driving a 1 year old truck i paid A crap ton load of money for with no Warranty, a questionable fuel delivery system and a crappy hvac system (I won’t even mention the body mount issue).I agree, odds aren't great. That said I don't fully understand that swap. Ford is generally a little more expensive than Ram on like for like items so even if you get all the money for your Ram you're gonna pay a little more to get it similarly equipped. Then you've gotta deal with the death wobble that seems to be more prevent on the Ford than the Ram.
I guess if you're looking at a new truck anyways, yeah why not. That said for likely less money than you'd lose in trade in and spend on a new Ford you can get a bulletproof CP3 swapped and the engine as a whole will be dead reliable.
Or getting my own "upgrade" to a CP3 aftermarket and letting the so called FCA warranty drop.^^^^^
I’ll be the difference between keeping mine, or going to another brand.
Speaking of, the Internet is going to explode if RamCares comes back in here with a warranty extension instead of a swap. I would call in sick on announcement day if I was on that team
From your previous posts I agree the Ford can be a little more expensive. On all diesels I have read one of the best upgrades is a Fass Fuel system. Lower micron filtering and stops aeration. On the Ram they recommend you drop the tank and modify the module to allow fuel pickup better. AS you know, I did the switch to a Ford with 7.3L gas. SO far so good. Pulls my 11K trailer like a top. But anyway, local shops all recommend the Fass system. Especially on the Duramax too. On resale a neighbor just traded a 2011 f250 w 6.7L with over 100k and got like $22K trade in. I felt that was a decent number but could be wrong. They also dropped off MSRP some also. Around our area the Suoerduties seem to move out of dealers quickly. I still want to see Ram step up on this issue with the CP4. Worse part of it is being without your truck if you use it for a living.I agree, odds aren't great. That said I don't fully understand that swap. Ford is generally a little more expensive than Ram on like for like items so even if you get all the money for your Ram you're gonna pay a little more to get it similarly equipped. Then you've gotta deal with the death wobble that seems to be more prevent on the Ford than the Ram.
I guess if you're looking at a new truck anyways, yeah why not. That said for likely less money than you'd lose in trade in and spend on a new Ford you can get a bulletproof CP3 swapped and the engine as a whole will be dead reliable.