New Ram HDs in 2027 or 2028

[Biodiesel]

You mean 4th gen still lol

Right? The 2010 - 2026 HD are all 4th gen trucks. Generally speaking, cab and chassis changes determine generations. There can be several engine changes/updates within a generation. For example, the 3rd gen Ram had two engines (5.9L and 6.7L). I think I have this correct:

1st gen (1981 - 1993), 12 years
2nd gen (1994 - 2002), 8 years
3rd gen (2002 - 2009), 7 years
4th gen (2009 - present), 17 years
5th gen (2019 - present) 1500 (DT) only, 7 years

 

[AH64ID]

Right? The 2010 - 2026 HD are all 4th gen trucks. Generally speaking, cab and chassis changes determine generations. There can be several engine changes/updates within a generation. For example, the 3rd gen Ram had two engines (5.9L and 6.7L). I think I have this correct:

1st gen (1981 - 1993), 12 years
2nd gen (1994 - 2002), 8 years
3rd gen (2002 - 2009), 7 years
4th gen (2009 - present), 17 years
5th gen (2019 - present) 1500 (DT) only, 7 years

Always get a kick out of folks adamantly calling them 5th or even 6th gen (The FB groups are the best)…. You want me to trust your knowledge on something when you can’t even label it correctly, smh.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Always get a kick out of folks adamantly calling them 5th or even 6th gen (The FB groups are the best)…. You want me to trust your knowledge on something when you can’t even label it correctly, smh.

The Diesel guys online are the worst at this because they want to call the 19-24 engines 5th gen and the 25+ 6th gen.

Ok, but the Hemi hasn't changed so now what do we call this truck?

TBH, if RAM would have at least updated the engine sales codes for the changes, we could use that designation like normal human beings would (think GM motors)... But NO, the code for the HO engine has remained ETM.

 

[motorhead426]

I must be getting old, because I truly could not care less about a flat cab floor for the back seat. The tunnel doesn’t affect my day to day even in the slightest.

My wife and the kiddos don’t either.

Same here. It also keeps the rusty frame rails hidden, vs the chevys that love showing off their surface rust and DEF tanks.

 

[HarryN]

I must be getting old, because I truly could not care less about a flat cab floor for the back seat. The tunnel doesn’t affect my day to day even in the slightest.

My wife and the kiddos don’t either.

I actually do care about the back seat, because I enjoy trading driving with my adult son. In a megacab we can have a full house and I can go in the back seat, lean it back, and take a nap.

 

[Trash Panda]

I actually do care about the back seat, because I enjoy trading driving with my adult son. In a megacab we can have a full house and I can go in the back seat, lean it back, and take a nap.

I enjoy the very same thing on a rare occasion.

The center of the floorboard being the same height just doesn’t happen to affect that at all for me.

 

[Thisnthat]

does the "tunnel" also impact the space for the front passenger? granted I have the center console but it looks like the space would be the same with the jump seat. I've been in the passenger seat some here lately (teaching kiddo on pulling trailers) and I'd hate to have to ride over there all the time as there is minimal space for your feet (2022 bighorn dually)

Like they say, you can't miss something you never had....I'd for sure prefer the flat rear floor to be able to throw more stuff in the back.

 

[Trash Panda]

does the "tunnel" also impact the space for the front passenger? granted I have the center console but it looks like the space would be the same with the jump seat. I've been in the passenger seat some here lately (teaching kiddo on pulling trailers) and I'd hate to have to ride over there all the time as there is minimal space for your feet (2022 bighorn dually)

Like they say, you can't miss something you never had....I'd for sure prefer the flat rear floor to be able to throw more stuff in the back.

It indeed does, if you have the jump seat.

 

[Jmonty]

Our tailgate bus had issues once so I piled 7 grown men in my 2013 1500, just put the smallest guy in the jump seat and if needed they share the passenger footwell. I truly don't believe it's an issue for people ridding in the truck its 4" difference between the floor in the back for example. The real benefit is dog kennels or other rear storage solutions, that rear flat floor of the Ford almost had me switching last year.

 

[Biodiesel]

The flat floor on my 2020 Ram 1500 makes a noticeable difference when hauling just about anything. Whether you're hauling modular toolboxes, stacking, or transporting longer items, the rear floor space is very convenient and practical in the 5th gen cab.

 

[Trash Panda]

The flat floor on my 2020 Ram 1500 makes a noticeable difference when hauling just about anything. Whether you're hauling modular toolboxes, stacking, or transporting longer items, the rear floor space is very convenient and practical in the 5th gen cab.

Man, and here I was wasting my time hauling things in the bed of my pickup lol

I can definitely see the benefit if you’re one of those guys who works outta his back seat, and needs to place large amounts of cargo in the cab.

 

[WXman]

The flat floor on my 2020 Ram 1500 makes a noticeable difference when hauling just about anything. Whether you're hauling modular toolboxes, stacking, or transporting longer items, the rear floor space is very convenient and practical in the 5th gen cab.

100%. And not only is the floor flat, the physical space is also larger. It's almost like having an SUV and a pickup at the same time.

 

[Jmonty]

Man, and here I was wasting my time hauling things in the bed of my pickup lol

I can definitely see the benefit if you’re one of those guys who works outta his back seat, and needs to place large amounts of cargo in the cab.

My fifth wheel goes back there, the dogs and it don't get along yet

 

[GrtPyr]

I'm the odd guy out here as I don't have a lot of interest in more technology or more power and would rather have long term reliability. Usually its just me and the dog in the truck so I don't have any significant issues with the current cab or bed. Power levels on my 2024 HO is plenty enough but if I was dreaming of changes I would like to see available in the future it would be going back to flat tappets and offering a manual transmission option even if they did have to de-rate the power for the stick shifts a bit. I am fully aware neither of these will happen and those days are sadly gone.

With what you see older diesel trucks with manual transmissions go for on the used market, you would think they could sell a few and would be the only manufacturer offering it.

 

[Rattfink]

Always get a kick out of folks adamantly calling them 5th or even 6th gen (The FB groups are the best)…. You want me to trust your knowledge on something when you can’t even label it correctlWhat

Right? The 2010 - 2026 HD are all 4th gen trucks. Generally speaking, cab and chassis changes determine generations. There can be several engine changes/updates within a generation. For example, the 3rd gen Ram had two engines (5.9L and 6.7L). I think I have this correct:

1st gen (1981 - 1993), 12 years
2nd gen (1994 - 2002), 8 years
3rd gen (2002 - 2009), 7 years
4th gen (2009 - present), 17 years
5th gen (2019 - present) 1500 (DT) only, 7 years

It's not just engines and chassis though, is it?

It's engines, transmissions, bodies, lights, grills, CPU, shifters, exhaust after treatment system, rear end, final gears, fuel systems, cold weather support, intakes.... you forgot to mention those, and the difference is far more than semantic.

What has stayed the same is the cab and the entry level engine. There is enough change to warrant distinction even if it isn't an according to Hoyle new "generation".

 

[Trash Panda]

It's not just engines and chassis though, is it?

It's engines, transmissions, bodies, lights, grills, CPU, shifters, exhaust after treatment system, rear end, final gears, fuel systems, cold weather support, intakes.... you forgot to mention those, and the difference is far more than semantic.

What has stayed the same is the cab and the entry level engine. There is enough change to warrant distinction even if it isn't an according to Hoyle new "generation".

Well, RAM disagrees.

 

[Rattfink]

Well, RAM disagrees.

They...disagree that these things I mentioned are updated since 2024?

 

[Trash Panda]

They...disagree that these things I mentioned are updated since 2024?

No, just that those updates are justification to call them anything other than a “4th gen”.

It’s been a hell of a run.

 

[Biodiesel]

They...disagree that these things I mentioned are updated since 2024?

What I have listed below are the generations that Ram has given their trucks based on nomenclature. Generations are mostly based on cab, body, and frame/chassis design.

1st gen (1981 - 1993), 12 years
2nd gen (1994 - 2002), 8 years
3rd gen (2002 - 2009), 7 years
4th gen (2009 - present), 17 years
5th gen (2019 - present) 1500 (DT) only, 7 years

 

[Biodiesel]

I'm the odd guy out here as I don't have a lot of interest in more technology or more power and would rather have long term reliability.

I don't think you're the odd guy out. The vast majority prioritize reliability over anything else, however, Ram's HD trucks with the Cummins has not met the same level of quality, dependability, reliability, and longevity since 2018. 2018 was the last year that Ram had a highly reliable Cummins truck. Not only is Ram disappointing customers with their quality, but they are also disappointing potential customers with an outdated body style. It's a major problem for Ram. Their sales are dismal. I've seen $19,000 off MSRP and they still have a hard time moving HD trucks.