Aisin vs 68rfe

[yycdiesel]

You guys got me screwed up im looking at a 3500 HO now thats about 10-12k more but way more loaded.


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[tienckb]

You guys got me screwed up im looking at a 3500 HO now thats about 10-12k more but way more loaded.


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Do it man we only live once.


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[yycdiesel]

Do it man we only live once.


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I think i have to pass thats how i look at things but im juggling starting a new business, buying a truck for work and buying a house within a year... 4 years itll happen.
i think the 68rfe will be fine and i can live without leather.. ill be day dreaming everyday though until then.

 

[Rich]

I think i have to pass thats how i look at things but im juggling starting a new business, buying a truck for work and buying a house within a year... 4 years itll happen.
i think the 68rfe will be fine and i can live without leather.. ill be day dreaming everyday though until then.

Just a little side note. If you made a really good deal on the truck your waiting for. When i made my deal and took ownership, i kept checking the trade value the first month that I had purchased it to see how much it had depreciated and to my suprise with the great deal that I got, the trade value never went below what I paid for it, never would of thought that. So I would say if there's a time to second guess yourself, its before our shortly after you take ownership. Do as much research as you can based on your needs, not just now but the future to come and put off picking it up at dealership when it comes in until your 100% sure. Just an opinion piece. If you don't mind paying a higher fuel bill ( almost double for me), the aisin is the only option

 

[yycdiesel]

Just a little side note. If you made a really good deal on the truck your waiting for. When i made my deal and took ownership, i kept checking the trade value the first month that I had purchased it to see how much it had depreciated and to my suprise with the great deal that I got, the trade value never went below what I paid for it, never would of thought that. So I would say if there's a time to second guess yourself, its before our shortly after you take ownership. Do as much research as you can based on your needs, not just now but the future to come and put off picking it up at dealership when it comes in until your 100% sure. Just an opinion piece. If you don't mind paying a higher fuel bill ( almost double for me), the aisin is the only option

That makes sense but for what i can write off for the company, and my needs i dont think its worth the investment ill be running ar 60-70 percent payload capacity 50 percent of the time.
the value of trade in would be higher in my needs but its a work truck and will be getting into dirty situations and no service truck ever comes out unscathed.

i got over 20k off msrp so i think ill be sitting ok.

 

[Brutal_HO]

If you order or buy the HO the Aisin is the only option. I ordered the HO to get the bulletproof Aisin. You just don't see any posts of an Aisin having problems. While the tuners have a tune for the 68rfe they have a more powerful tune if you have an Aisin. The 68rfe has to be modified to handle the more powerful tune - that should tell us something About the Aisin.

Some complain about the Aisin shifting, I am completely satisfied with my 2020 HO & Aisin. The only negative is the Aisiin is 6 speed and all the current hype is for 8 speed. IMO that's what it is "hype". As for MPG, it's a 1 ton truck, if you are buying for MPG get an Ecodiesel. The HO Aisin gets decent mileage for a 1 ton. I haven't been on a trip with mine yet but my brother consistently gets 18-20 on the freeways and sometimes 22mpg. That's nearly as good as my Ecodiesel gets.

If I had a complaint about my 2020 HO Aisin it's the lag which is in all of today's diesels. It's tolerable but I got a tune that removes the lag which makes me an even happier camper.

Just to add some clarity.

Anyone offering a tune for the HO/Aisin is only tuning the ECM and defueling to protect the Aisin by playing with the ECM code. There are no Aisin trans tunes, no changing shift patterns/points, etc like they can with the 68RFE.

If someone is looking to tune heavy, then get the SO/68RFE and build the trans now or later. If you want a reliable heavy hauler, get the HO/Aisin and don't expect as great MPG as the SO. Light duty, SO/68RFE.

 

[yycdiesel]

Well got the 68rfe awesome truck been a pleasure so far.

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[Brutal_HO]

That makes sense but for what i can write off for the company, and my needs i dont think its worth the investment ill be running ar 60-70 percent payload capacity 50 percent of the time.
the value of trade in would be higher in my needs but its a work truck and will be getting into dirty situations and no service truck ever comes out unscathed.

i got over 20k off msrp so i think ill be sitting ok.

Well got the 68rfe awesome truck been a pleasure so far.

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Very nice! Be sure to post in the new member introductions sub forum.

You made a solid choice considering your use case as I read it. You should feel 100% confident in that trigger pull.

Were I not towing 16K, I probably would have opted for the SO/68RFE. In my case, that would be too tempting to tune... LOL

 

[dougpaper]

Lets be honest, newbie here but calling the 3500 with 850 torques a light weight is funny. so it can only pull a house down with its power versus pulling down a sky scraper. It still is a damn heavy duty truck!

 

[RV_Goose]

I pulled my 12k 5th wheel with my 2013 RAM 2500 Diesel and was under weight specs, and the truck pulled just fine in the WV/TN/NC mountains. Knowing that we will buy a heavier new toyhauler in the next couple of years, I bought a 2020 RAM 3500 HO Aisin CC LB 4x4. The difference in pulling with the 2500 vs the new 3500 is amazing. Like the trailer is not there. Now 18k (and some 20k) trailers are in my range.

I bought a truck for my anticipated future needs. Not everyone needs a HO/Aisin dually. Now I am studying for a CDL and perhaps some hotshot loads to make a couple of payments here and there.

 

[yycdiesel]

i have about 5300 km on my truck now havnt really towed anything but i bought a skid that came out of a half ton i believe i made the right choice, honestly the ego in me wants the HO 400/1000 but this truck is beyond my expectations already.. that being said i also have already been eye balling transmission upgrades and future turbo/injectors and fuel... hahaha

 

[Huskerz1]

i have about 5300 km on my truck now havnt really towed anything but i bought a skid that came out of a half ton i believe i made the right choice, honestly the ego in me wants the HO 400/1000 but this truck is beyond my expectations already.. that being said i also have already been eye balling transmission upgrades and future turbo/injectors and fuel... hahaha

I pulled my 13.5K 5th with my last 07 Cummins 68RFE for 100k miles and zero trouble. My new 2020 68RFE is even better. Just got done with a 400 mile tow with it where I got 11.4 MPG at 65 MPH. If I were approaching 20k trailer weight, I'd probably go HO/Aisin but I won't be in the range ever. I don't tow every day. More like 3 weekends a month. The truck is my daily driver to work. The 68RFE is a better for me as a daily because it doesn't shift like a school bus. I couldn't be any more happier with it. Best truck I've ever owned.

 

[Rich]

I pulled my 13.5K 5th with my last 07 Cummins 68RFE for 100k miles and zero trouble. My new 2020 68RFE is even better. Just got done with a 400 mile tow with it where I got 11.4 MPG at 65 MPH. If I were approaching 20k trailer weight, I'd probably go HO/Aisin but I won't be in the range ever. I don't tow every day. More like 3 weekends a month. The truck is my daily driver to work. The 68RFE is a better for me as a daily because it doesn't shift like a school bus. I couldn't be any more happier with it. Best truck I've ever owned.

Way better on fuel economy as a daily driver. Mine was more than double the mpg as compared to this HO HD, I miss that side of it, but you don't buy the aisin for mpg, she's for towing the apartment around the country, and for that there is a big fuel price to pay.

 

[golfball]

The Aisin transmission may not be as reliable as everyone believes. RevMax, a reputable transmission rebuilder, had this to say about the Aisin, " It was built with extremely low quality internal parts and its capacity to handle increased power in stock form is extremely low.

 

[Brutal_HO]

RevMax likes to trash anything they don't sell.

That's REALLY old quote and I believe from the older AS68RC.

BTW, coming into a thread cold with a first post that's simply a troll post/quote is not recommended. If you have some personal experience to add, please do so.

 

[golfball]

You are mistaken. They were talking about the Aisin. Data does not support the fact that the Aisin is a better transmission than the 68RFE. The Aisin requires a fluid change every 30k vs 120,000 for the 68RFE while using in normal driving conditions . While that alone doesn't prove reliability, it speaks volumes about the transmission. Go to a Ram dealer and ask the transmission tech which is the better transmission. The answer may surprise you. I am not saying the Aisin is an inferior transmission. I am saying the 68RFE does not have the failure rate or is somehow inferior to the Aisin as some want us to believe. When it is used within the limits it was designed for, it will give you many trouble free miles.

 

[renagade69]

In stock form, the Aisin can handle more torque and workload. This is why they match it with the HO motor and the diesel cab and chassis vehicles. The fluid change interval is higher than the 68rfe. That doesn't prove any durability claims. It affects the cost of ownership.

 

[John Jensen]

Those who cannot back up their statements and claims with facts or data and belittle others, have little creditability.

Here's a fact that you cannot dispute. The Aisin AS69RC is a medium duty transmission, the 68RFE is a light duty transmission. To quote you, "it speaks volumes about the transmission."

 

[naplesbill]

Here's a fact that you cannot dispute. The Aisin AS69RC is a medium duty transmission, the 68RFE is a light duty transmission. To quote you, "it speaks volumes about the transmission."

Except it doesn’t. In a stock HD with the SO Cummins, the 68RFE Will handle whatever you are doing unless you are towing over 18k daily. At that level of use the Aisin would be almost literally required. But for everyday common uses of an HD truck the 68RFE will do it’s job.

This quote from motor trend says it perfectly:

The bottom line here is: If you are using your Ram 3500 for "commercial" hauling and/or towing applications where trailered loads are more than 18,000 pounds, the Aisin AS69RC is the automatic transmission for you. But for the rest of the Ram 3500 6.7L pickup owners, the Chrysler 68RFE will do the job as intended.


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[gimmie11s]

You are mistaken. They were talking about the Aisin. Data does not support the fact that the Aisin is a better transmission than the 68RFE. The Aisin requires a fluid change every 30k vs 120,000 for the 68RFE while using in normal driving conditions . While that alone doesn't prove reliability, it speaks volumes about the transmission. Go to a Ram dealer and ask the transmission tech which is the better transmission. The answer may surprise you. I am not saying the Aisin is an inferior transmission. I am saying the 68RFE does not have the failure rate or is somehow inferior to the Aisin as some want us to believe. When it is used within the limits it was designed for, it will give you many trouble free miles.

Go to the Ram dealer and ask? LMAO.. ok, lil buddy.


"To handle the '13 engine's higher torque, the AS69RC emerged. (Ram says the AS69RC has a 64 percent higher input torque capacity than the AS68RC). Compared to the earlier-model Aisin, the new one has a more robust input shaft, more clutches and larger clutch hubs, additional pinion gears in all the planetaries, the deletion of the F1 sprag clutch for First and reverse gears, a more aggressive Tow/Haul mode, and so forth. The Aisin also has numerous PTO options. In short, the 400-pound Aisin is a stout medium-duty, electronically controlled six-speed. In comparison, the Chrysler 68RFE six-speed automatic is a light-duty-pickup transmission that weighs about 260 pounds and isn't set up to use a PTO. The 68RFE is a well-designed and strong transmission with gear splits suited to the normal load-moving tasks faced by heavy-duty Ram diesel pickups. But it's not strong enough to handle the high-output Cummins if one is towing at or near the maximum rating of a Ram 3500 day in and day out. The 68RFE is not nearly as robust as the Aisin in any way, shape, or form. They are two totally different transmissions."

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They are both great transmissions with low-no failure rates. However, there is no question the Aisin is stronger. It's not even debatable looking at the hard parts.