Ritchie_Rich
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Yeah, agree the reciprocity of a license would be nice and save hassles.
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McHenry2500
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Texas passed the "Constitutional Carry" a few years ago, that made me decide to not renew my conceal carry permit.
No we just have a ton of idiots walking around Home Depot and HEB with a G34 strapped to their hip like they think they're John Wick.....
No we just have a ton of idiots walking around Home Depot and HEB with a G34 strapped to their hip like they think they're John Wick.....
Crusty old shellback
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Got my CCW early this year.
Picked up holster for my G19.
Still haven't carried it yet. I just put it in the center console top box when I get in the truck. Usually just take it when traveling or going into town.
Picked up holster for my G19.
Still haven't carried it yet. I just put it in the center console top box when I get in the truck. Usually just take it when traveling or going into town.
Wasn't that a pass for open carry? Thought you still needed a CCH to conceal carry there.
FWIW, we have to renew county issued CCH permit every 5 years but now this retarded state will make me take another class to renew next time. Also just passed you have to take a class and get your permission slip to purchase any semi-auto firearm. CO is lost unless they can fix it in the courts. If we weren't grounded here with a grandson being raised by a single dad and us, we'd be gone. They also made it a crime to "deadname" a trans kid, etc. We are so f*cked.
Also concerned if the silencer NFA removal passes, it will essentially make them illegal here (and about 15 other states). They're prohibited unless "regulated or licensed" and the NFA stamp gets us around that now.
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It's kinda confusing here. You can open carry without a permit, BUT you need a CCW permit to conceal carry.
Before, you had to pass a background check and take a class before you could get a CCW permit. Now anyone can just open carry.
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I like John Wick. He did normally conceal his pistol. Had a good kill/death ratio?
Assuming he died. Pretty sure he didn't though.
Ritchie_Rich
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Crossbreed holster for me.
Dinky503
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I live in Oregon..... CHL used to help a lot on the BGC but now the whole system is messed up. Multiple form 4s and lot of BGC and I've been delayed Multiple time over last 2 years.
Rockcrawlindude
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Box 29? I believe the state still has to offer that as an exemption option.
Box 28 is expected if you're picking up a completed NFA. I've never had to do a secondary 4473 picking up an approved can.
Dinky503
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Yep our 4473 does not look like that at all. Back in 2022 I got delayed and went down to the state police HQ and had some words. That was cleared and 2 days later I was delayed again lol. I dont have issues anymore but there was times random people we just having a hell of a time. I believe I am the only person with my name its very rare.
Unpossible. It's a Federal form. They do get updates. Suggest you look up the current 4473. FFL's are generally allowed to use up old paper form stocks but so many are all electronic now anyway.
Just saying again, a state still has to permit the use of a CHP, FOID, etc. to bypass NICS via a state statute when completing a required 4473 for retail sales and/or gunshows or private depending on state.
Brady Permit Chart | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
UPDATE: Effective immediately, the Wisconsin concealed weapon license does not qualify as an alternative to running a background check through the National Instant Check System. A previous letter providing guidance that those licenses did qualify was based on a review of Wisconsin statutes...
In the now onerous anti-2A liberal run state of Colorado, we also have to pass a Colorado Bureau of Investigation check in addition to NICS regardless of permit. Ditto for private sales now since 2013 and all gunshow sales since 2000. For reference Columbine was 1999 and Aurora was 2012.
ATF Form 4473, also known as the Firearms Transaction Record, is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to document the sale or transfer of firearms. Box 29 on the form serves a specific purpose related to the background check process.
Here's a breakdown of its allowed use:
Box 29: NICS Exemption
- Purpose: This box is used to indicate that a NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) check is not required for the firearm transfer because the transferee (buyer) possesses a valid permit that qualifies as a NICS exemption under federal law.
- NICS Exemption: Certain state-issued permits, typically those for concealed carry or firearm purchase, may be recognized by the ATF as equivalent to a NICS check.
- If Applicable: If the transferee presents a valid permit that meets the NICS exemption criteria, the FFL should mark box 29 and record the relevant information about the permit.
- Skip NICS Check: When box 29 is used, the FFL does not need to contact NICS to perform a background check for that particular transaction.
In Summary
Box 29 on Form 4473 is utilized when a transferee presents a valid state permit that exempts them from the standard NICS background check requirement. The FFL should consult the ATF's guidelines and regulations to determine which state permits qualify for this exemption. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regul.../gun-control-act/brady-law/brady-permit-chart
Bottom line, we're glad for those of you living in free states.
Rockcrawlindude
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I didn’t know some states permits didn’t satisfy that box 29. Learned something newUnpossible. It's a Federal form. They do get updates. Suggest you look up the current 4473. FFL's are generally allowed to use up old paper form stocks but so many are all electronic now anyway.
Just saying again, a state still has to permit the use of a CHP, FOID, etc. to bypass NICS via a state statute when completing a required 4473 for retail sales and/or gunshows or private depending on state.
Brady Permit Chart | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
UPDATE: Effective immediately, the Wisconsin concealed weapon license does not qualify as an alternative to running a background check through the National Instant Check System. A previous letter providing guidance that those licenses did qualify was based on a review of Wisconsin statutes...www.atf.gov
In the now onerous anti-2A liberal run state of Colorado, we also have to pass a Colorado Bureau of Investigation check in addition to NICS regardless of permit. Ditto for private sales now since 2013 and all gunshow sales since 2000. For reference Columbine was 1999 and Aurora was 2012.
ATF Form 4473, also known as the Firearms Transaction Record, is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to document the sale or transfer of firearms. Box 29 on the form serves a specific purpose related to the background check process.Here's a breakdown of its allowed use:Box 29: NICS Exemption
- Purpose: This box is used to indicate that a NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) check is not required for the firearm transfer because the transferee (buyer) possesses a valid permit that qualifies as a NICS exemption under federal law.
- NICS Exemption: Certain state-issued permits, typically those for concealed carry or firearm purchase, may be recognized by the ATF as equivalent to a NICS check.
- If Applicable: If the transferee presents a valid permit that meets the NICS exemption criteria, the FFL should mark box 29 and record the relevant information about the permit.
- Skip NICS Check: When box 29 is used, the FFL does not need to contact NICS to perform a background check for that particular transaction.
In SummaryBox 29 on Form 4473 is utilized when a transferee presents a valid state permit that exempts them from the standard NICS background check requirement. The FFL should consult the ATF's guidelines and regulations to determine which state permits qualify for this exemption. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regul.../gun-control-act/brady-law/brady-permit-chart
Bottom line, we're glad for those of you living in free states.
Dinky503
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Unpossible. It's a Federal form. They do get updates. Suggest you look up the current 4473. FFL's are generally allowed to use up old paper form stocks but so many are all electronic now anyway.
Just saying again, a state still has to permit the use of a CHP, FOID, etc. to bypass NICS via a state statute when completing a required 4473 for retail sales and/or gunshows or private depending on state.
Brady Permit Chart | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
UPDATE: Effective immediately, the Wisconsin concealed weapon license does not qualify as an alternative to running a background check through the National Instant Check System. A previous letter providing guidance that those licenses did qualify was based on a review of Wisconsin statutes...
In the now onerous anti-2A liberal run state of Colorado, we also have to pass a Colorado Bureau of Investigation check in addition to NICS regardless of permit. Ditto for private sales now since 2013 and all gunshow sales since 2000. For reference Columbine was 1999 and Aurora was 2012.
ATF Form 4473, also known as the Firearms Transaction Record, is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to document the sale or transfer of firearms. Box 29 on the form serves a specific purpose related to the background check process.Here's a breakdown of its allowed use:Box 29: NICS Exemption
- Purpose: This box is used to indicate that a NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) check is not required for the firearm transfer because the transferee (buyer) possesses a valid permit that qualifies as a NICS exemption under federal law.
- NICS Exemption: Certain state-issued permits, typically those for concealed carry or firearm purchase, may be recognized by the ATF as equivalent to a NICS check.
- If Applicable: If the transferee presents a valid permit that meets the NICS exemption criteria, the FFL should mark box 29 and record the relevant information about the permit.
- Skip NICS Check: When box 29 is used, the FFL does not need to contact NICS to perform a background check for that particular transaction.
In SummaryBox 29 on Form 4473 is utilized when a transferee presents a valid state permit that exempts them from the standard NICS background check requirement. The FFL should consult the ATF's guidelines and regulations to determine which state permits qualify for this exemption. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regul.../gun-control-act/brady-law/brady-permit-chart
Bottom line, we're glad for those of you living in free states.
They are allowed to use old forms to certain point then have to change. I've only cleared suppressors and haven't bought a new gun for a year. Didnt know that added that check box. Oregon is pushing for funky stuff and I dont want to buy something and it get hung up and need a permit to get it.
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In Nevada, once you get your CCW, you can buy a gun and walk out with it then. No background check needed. Just a valid CCW. Not sure how it works for suppressor though.
Dinky503
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Suppressor is NFA item.
Rockcrawlindude
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See box 28 and 29 on the 4473 above.
Correct.
NFA form 4 or form 1 approval process includes a BGC that satisfies the requirement. With the 43F fingerprint requirements (and for trusts also the RPQ) it's a "deeper" BGC than normal anyway by virtue of the prints. Subsequently, there is no additional BGC required to take possession of the NFA item once you get your stamp. Any dealer running a BGC to pick up NFA doesn't know WTF they're doing. For those doing form 1 NFA, if SBR, you already have possession of the firearm (lower/receiver), whether it was acquired initially with or without (depending on state) a BGC. If building a silencer on a form1, you already posses the (incomplete) parts. I've been through most of these scenarios more than a few times.