Let’s see your wagons with 35 and 37’s

[Shocktrooper392]

Funny seeing all these method 704s & 37s posts lately... My method 704s just came in last week as well as my 37 toyo RT Trails... getting mounted on Wednesday.
Had the option to get the new RT Pros but even though they look awesome I just felt like they would've been too aggressive for my needs.
@dparenti547 I love that idea of mounting the 37 spare on a Molle panel on the bulkhead, probably gonna copy that idea for the same reasons! Lol

 

[stickshifter]

Funny seeing all these method 704s & 37s posts lately... My method 704s just came in last week as well as my 37 toyo RT Trails... getting mounted on Wednesday.
Had the option to get the new RT Pros but even though they look awesome I just felt like they would've been too aggressive for my needs.
@dparenti547 I love that idea of mounting the 37 spare on a Molle panel on the bulkhead, probably gonna copy that idea for the same reasons! Lol

Is there a max weight rating for those molle panels? A 37-inch tire on a Method 704 is going to weigh around 105 pounds. I know the molle panel wouldn't be holding the tire up in the air (i.e. most of the tire weight will be resting on the bed) - but it seems like there would be a lot of force on the bed rails from that tire, when you are pitching around off-road. I'm not saying this WON"T work, I'm wondering if it WILL work (genuine question here).

Here is a screenshot from the installation instructions for the bed-side molle panels (I didn't see an installation guide for the bulkhead molle panel):

 

[dparenti547]

CJC Spare Tire Mount


Here is the mount I'm getting. Looks to be very solid.

 

[stickshifter]

CJC Spare Tire Mount


Here is the mount I'm getting. Looks to be very solid.

Oh that's great! I didn't know they sold a spare tire mounting kit with the molle panel kit. Thanks!

 

[Shocktrooper392]

And.... 37s are on!

I'll get more pics once she's cleaned up. Only found a very slight amount of rub turning left at full lock while backing up.
As others have stated, you definitely notice the extra rotational mass when accelerating or braking... but ride quality feels much better. The 37s definitely soak up bumps in the road more, can't wait to see how they do off road!

 

[Shocktrooper392]

Morning fellas,
Been trying to research every option I can find for a spare tire mount for my 37s.
Just randomly came across this on IG last night.

SDHQ Chase Rack

Has anyone ran one of these SQHD Chase Racks? Seems pretty sick but also pretty pricey. I don't like how it would take up half the bed but the other part I do like is that in the other spot for a spare tire I could mount a small toolbox.

My dilemma is this, I have a toolbox in my bed that houses: recovery straps, tree saver, D-rings, snatch block, soft D-rings, adjustable B&W Hitch, a mobile jack (thats probably too small/short for my 37s now lol), jumper cables, mobile air compressor for tires, tire plug kit, breaker bar, pipe wrench, torque wrench, zip ties, a craftsman toolbox that houses sockets and ratches for 1/4-3/8-1/2 drive, assorted specialty sockets and attachments as well as interchangeable scew drivers, Makita small impact and 1/2" impact, the list goes on - basically a mobile mechanic lab.
If I go with CJCs or AEVs spare tire mount that mounts to the bulkhead of the bed I lose my tool box... so what do I do with my gear?
This is the only point where I kinda wish I had optioned the ramboxes because I could put most of my gear in them if I had them -_-

I've seen where some guys have gotten those like modular smaller Milwaukee tool boxes and found a way to lock them in place in the bed with one of those bed mats that screws into the floor of the bed and has like angle brackets to hold toolboxes or coolers etc in place. So maybe that's my best option? I'm really trying to avoid getting a spare tire rear bumper because I don't want to lose my back up camera.

Just trying to brainstorm some options and I figured yall might have some good ideas I haven't thought of yet! Any input would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

@Shocktrooper392 i understand your dilemma as I have put my own self into a similar dilemma. You may regret using up all your bed with permanently mounted gear.

My only reason for needing a 2500 is towing my rock crawler. Setting my truck up as a tow rig was priority. Recovery gear, on board air, tools and dry storage.

I started off with a crossover toolbox and I wasn’t happy so I sold it and bought a topper. I used large totes for my gear and that was a good solution. I stepped up to a decked drawer system because drawers are easier than totes.

Now I have a truck I can’t haul a dishwasher in, for example. It’s very nice to have a truck that is prepared for anything but it kinda sucks having a big truck and needing to pay for or arrange dishwasher delivery (not unloading my 20’ enclosed trailer just to do that) if I still had my totes I think I would be happier. I need to sell or giveaway my decked system.



My suggestion is get a 35” spare and leave it under the bed

 

[el_barto]

Morning fellas,
Been trying to research every option I can find for a spare tire mount for my 37s.
Just randomly came across this on IG last night.
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SDHQ Chase Rack
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Has anyone ran one of these SQHD Chase Racks? Seems pretty sick but also pretty pricey. I don't like how it would take up half the bed but the other part I do like is that in the other spot for a spare tire I could mount a small toolbox.
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My dilemma is this, I have a toolbox in my bed that houses: recovery straps, tree saver, D-rings, snatch block, soft D-rings, adjustable B&W Hitch, a mobile jack (thats probably too small/short for my 37s now lol), jumper cables, mobile air compressor for tires, tire plug kit, breaker bar, pipe wrench, torque wrench, zip ties, a craftsman toolbox that houses sockets and ratches for 1/4-3/8-1/2 drive, assorted specialty sockets and attachments as well as interchangeable scew drivers, Makita small impact and 1/2" impact, the list goes on - basically a mobile mechanic lab.
If I go with CJCs or AEVs spare tire mount that mounts to the bulkhead of the bed I lose my tool box... so what do I do with my gear?
This is the only point where I kinda wish I had optioned the ramboxes because I could put most of my gear in them if I had them -_-

I've seen where some guys have gotten those like modular smaller Milwaukee tool boxes and found a way to lock them in place in the bed with one of those bed mats that screws into the floor of the bed and has like angle brackets to hold toolboxes or coolers etc in place. So maybe that's my best option? I'm really trying to avoid getting a spare tire rear bumper because I don't want to lose my back up camera.

Just trying to brainstorm some options and I figured yall might have some good ideas I haven't thought of yet! Any input would be greatly appreciated!

I feel like it kind kills bed space, and would be difficult to remove on a regular basis if you needed more bed space occasionally. AEV spare mount would be better use of space, IMO.

AEV Vertical Tire Mount for 2003+ Ram HD

Shop AEV vertical tire mount, the perfect solution for securing your spare tire in the truck bed. Fully adjustable to accommodate a range of tire sizes.

www.aev-conversions.com

But, this problem is also why I don’t have or want 37s.

 

[Shocktrooper392]

@Shocktrooper392 i understand your dilemma as I have put my own self into a similar dilemma. You may regret using up all your bed with permanently mounted gear.

My only reason for needing a 2500 is towing my rock crawler. Setting my truck up as a tow rig was priority. Recovery gear, on board air, tools and dry storage.

I started off with a crossover toolbox and I wasn’t happy so I sold it and bought a topper. I used large totes for my gear and that was a good solution. I stepped up to a decked drawer system because drawers are easier than totes.

Now I have a truck I can’t haul a dishwasher in, for example. It’s very nice to have a truck that is prepared for anything but it kinda sucks having a big truck and needing to pay for or arrange dishwasher delivery (not unloading my 20’ enclosed trailer just to do that) if I still had my totes I think I would be happier. I need to sell or giveaway my decked system.

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My suggestion is get a 35” spare and leave it under the bed

Thanks for the advice! Yeah I've tossed around the idea of getting a bed topper but for the same reason I don't wanna lose all my bed space, I use my bed a lot for hauling parts and office furniture for work (filing cabinets, desks etc).
I do have a 35 under the bed from when I was on 35s. Just hate the idea of if I get a flat (that I can't plug) the spare can only go on the front, so I'd have to do 2 tire changes on the side of the road instead of just one.

I feel like it kind kills bed space, and would be difficult to remove on a regular basis if you needed more bed space occasionally. AEV spare mount would be better use of space, IMO.

AEV Vertical Tire Mount for 2003+ Ram HD

Shop AEV vertical tire mount, the perfect solution for securing your spare tire in the truck bed. Fully adjustable to accommodate a range of tire sizes.

www.aev-conversions.com

But, this problem is also why I don’t have or want 37s.

I know of the AEV one, but if I were to do that I'd just do the CJC Molle panel and spare tire mount so I can mount a jack to the molle panel as well. I don't regret 37s at all, my 35s were getting low and one of my tire suppliers had a promotion on Toyos (slightly less than normal wholesale cost), at the same time my buddy who does lifts and wheels/tires could get me the 704s at basically wholesale cost... it was like the stars aligned for a perfect deal I couldn't pass up.
....but I do wish I had had more time to figure out what to do with a spare tire set up.

@Rockcrawlindude I can see how totes would get annoying... but best I can come up with is the CJC Molle panel and spare tire mount and then just buy a lockable tool box I can mount in the bed, hopefully only taking up only part of my bed space...

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

Thanks for the advice! Yeah I've tossed around the idea of getting a bed topper but for the same reason I don't wanna lose all my bed space, I use my bed a lot for hauling parts and office furniture for work (filing cabinets, desks etc).
I do have a 35 under the bed from when I was on 35s. Just hate the idea of if I get a flat (that I can't plug) the spare can only go on the front, so I'd have to do 2 tire changes on the side of the road instead of just one.


I know of the AEV one, but if I were to do that I'd just do the CJC Molle panel and spare tire mount so I can mount a jack to the molle panel as well. I don't regret 37s at all, my 35s were getting low and one of my tire suppliers had a promotion on Toyos (slightly less than normal wholesale cost), at the same time my buddy who does lifts and wheels/tires could get me the 704s at basically wholesale cost... it was like the stars aligned for a perfect deal I couldn't pass up.
....but I do wish I had had more time to figure out what to do with a spare tire set up.

@Rockcrawlindude I can see how totes would get annoying... but best I can come up with is the CJC Molle panel and spare tire mount and then just buy a lockable tool box I can mount in the bed, hopefully only taking up only part of my bed space...

Why would you need to put the spare in the front? Theres only a 5% difference from 35 to 37

 

[Jake Taylor 2019]

finally mounted my 37'sView attachment 6420

Did you do that on a factory suspension

 

[Shocktrooper392]

I kept seeing over and over people with power wagons say you could only put a 35 spare on the front when running 37s, I just assumed it was because of the axles in the front being able to handle the tire size difference because there has to be slippage in the front for turning(?)...
Am I wrong on this? I understand the 5% tire size difference is still not good to run on continuously but for a spare to get me a few miles down the road would it be okay?

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

I kept seeing over and over people with power wagons say you could only put a 35 spare on the front when running 37s, I just assumed it was because of the axles in the front being able to handle the tire size difference because there has to be slippage in the front for turning(?)...
Am I wrong on this? I understand the 5% tire size difference is still not good to run on continuously but for a spare to get me a few miles down the road would it be okay?

The only reason I can come up with for them saying that would be the lsd in the rear but I think it’s a non-issue.
I believe power wagons have helical lsd and not clutch lsd. But, even with clutch lsd like my regular 2500 would have no hesitations to running a slightly smaller spare tire in the rear long enough to get a replacement tire.

 

[el_barto]

The logic is that the rear diff is a helical LSD (though the basic logic would still apply to the clutch based LSD, IMO). Helical LSDs are kind of black magic to me, but if it’s constantly working to limit the “slip” (difference in speed between left and right) it creates heat/friction and will wear out quickly. Same reason you can’t tow a Subaru or Audi with one set of wheels on the ground, and they recommend tires be replaced all at the same time (the center diff is limited slip)

 

[Rockcrawlindude]

The logic is that the rear diff is a helical LSD (though the basic logic would still apply to the clutch based LSD, IMO). Helical LSDs are kind of black magic to me, but if it’s constantly working to limit the “slip” (difference in speed between left and right) it creates heat/friction and will wear out quickly. Same reason you can’t tow a Subaru or Audi with one set of wheels on the ground, and they recommend tires be replaced all at the same time (the center diff is limited slip)

I don’t think you can wear out a helical lsd it’s just gears ?

 

[Iowagon]

You guys understand that technical stuff far better than me but the difference between a 33" tire and 35" tire, or a 35" tire and a 37" tire is only one inch in radius. Putting on a spare that is two inches in diameter smaller I would think would be like running with one tire below 40 psi to the gas station to get air. Which I have done more times than I can count.

But, I admit, maybe my understanding is wrong.

 

[stickshifter]

Thanks for the advice! Yeah I've tossed around the idea of getting a bed topper but for the same reason I don't wanna lose all my bed space, I use my bed a lot for hauling parts and office furniture for work (filing cabinets, desks etc).
I do have a 35 under the bed from when I was on 35s. Just hate the idea of if I get a flat (that I can't plug) the spare can only go on the front, so I'd have to do 2 tire changes on the side of the road instead of just one.


I know of the AEV one, but if I were to do that I'd just do the CJC Molle panel and spare tire mount so I can mount a jack to the molle panel as well. I don't regret 37s at all, my 35s were getting low and one of my tire suppliers had a promotion on Toyos (slightly less than normal wholesale cost), at the same time my buddy who does lifts and wheels/tires could get me the 704s at basically wholesale cost... it was like the stars aligned for a perfect deal I couldn't pass up.
....but I do wish I had had more time to figure out what to do with a spare tire set up.

@Rockcrawlindude I can see how totes would get annoying... but best I can come up with is the CJC Molle panel and spare tire mount and then just buy a lockable tool box I can mount in the bed, hopefully only taking up only part of my bed space...

Here is a comparison of two options you have not mentioned for carrying a 37-inch spare:

 

[Jmo1986ny]

2" lift, 35 general grabbers

 

[Jmo1986ny]

You can get the 2" lift kit from BDS to fit 37's. I'm waiting for my kit now to run Yokahama 37 x 13.5 R20s on Fuel Covert Wheels with a 20mm backspace. I'm also installing the Carli Lifetime Ball Joints and the steering low mount steering stabilizer.
Here's a link to the 2" leveling lift https://www.jackit.com/bds-1711h-co...Fd5tNe1VPj8LRfhRubJ5V_wHZxsdG10YaAqLeEALw_wcB

I just had this kit installed on my power wagon. They forgot the track bar bushings so went a day with the stock track bar while I waited for the bushings.

Felt pretty bad. My installer took their time when putting in the adjustable track bar and made sure they got it right and it made a big difference.

 

[dparenti547]

Just installed the Molle panel kit from CJC with the spare tire mount and Badlands jack mount on the 24 PW. Gotta say, it is all very solid, and I don't feel like I've eliminated much square footage in the bed. Very happy with this setup so far. 37" tire fits great with the SmartCap.