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Official 2025 Ram HD

oledirteh said:
2 things i noticed off the bat, oil fill doesnt go through the ccv cover, and is that the fuel filter housing on the passenger side now? much easier access.
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Drivers side, oil on passengers
 
Deltron said:
RAMs's track record since 2019 is bad. You trust the same people to build something with a large number of changes when they botched the small number of changes on the introduction of the 2019, many of which are still a problem for many people including me? Not all of mine are fixed after many trips to two different dealers all who seem to be behind the 8 ball because even Stellantis engineers have no idea what they're building or why it has problems. I don't blame the dealers who have never seen many of these issues and have absolutely no support of any kind from the manufacturer.

My local dealer has been great and treated me well. I feel sorry for them though, Stellantis techs have even lied to them. It's no wonder dealer techs, especially diesel guys, are leaving dealers and going to independent shops. Our local dealer now has one single diesel tech who's actually pretty good. Stellantis warranty reimbursement is poor though exacerbating this problem. Wait times for service are stretching further and further out as MANY members can attest to.

A prudent person would wait at least a short time to see if there's issues that may well leave them and their family stranded at the side of the road on vacation while dealers have utterly no idea what's going on since they've never dealt with the new ones. Tavares instituted brutal cost cutting and it shows. The new CEO hopefully can reverse this but it will take time.
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No problems to speak of with my 2020.

Had the HPFP recall done, the A/C HVAC TSB, and a harmonic balancer for the belt squeak. Minor front seal oil leak on the Cummins, but those aren't all that unexpected.

I've had none of the electronics glitches save when I tried to use a cheap throttle enhancer.

Given those points, I wouldn't shy away from a 1st year model at this point. Living in fear is not good for one's mental health. A prudent person will have a contingency plan for any failure event.
 
Brutal_HO said:
Living in fear is not good for one's mental health. A prudent person will have a contingency plan for any failure event.
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Buying things when you don't even know what it is isn't prudent. That my friend is an excellent contingency plan. ;)

Likely, if the new trucks work out well, I'll get one to replace my very problematic '22. If RAM doesn't get a handle on the emissions and electronics issues though I'll probably look at a 6.4 Hemi or a Ford diesel. At least it's easy to delete the Ford if the emissions go crazy on them.
 
Deltron said:
Likely, if the new trucks work out well, I'll get one to replace my very problematic '22.
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And when is that determined?
You see, people could’ve said the same thing for the 2019 trucks, waited for the “kinks” to get worked out, then get a 2022, and have the most problematic vehicle ever.

I mean, it’s not like people don’t know what they’re ordering with the 2025’s- the new CAN architecture and driver assistance features have been around since the 2021 Grand Cherokee L. With ZF’s reputation, there’s no reason to be worried about the new trans. And, the new emissions and Cummins can’t possibly be any worse than they’ve been the last few years, can they?
 
Jimmy07 said:
And when is that determined?
You see, people could’ve said the same thing for the 2019 trucks, waited for the “kinks” to get worked out, then get a 2022, and have the most problematic vehicle ever.

I mean, it’s not like people don’t know what they’re ordering with the 2025’s- the new CAN architecture and driver assistance features have been around since the 2021 Grand Cherokee L. With ZF’s reputation, there’s no reason to be worried about the new trans. And, the new emissions and Cummins can’t possibly be any worse than they’ve been the last few years, can they?
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Yeah, I think knowing it’s a ZF trans would make me far more likely to purchase the 2025 than if it had either of the old transmissions.
 
Brutal_HO said:
No problems to speak of with my 2020.

Had the HPFP recall done, the A/C HVAC TSB, and a harmonic balancer for the belt squeak. Minor front seal oil leak on the Cummins, but those aren't all that unexpected.

I've had none of the electronics glitches save when I tried to use a cheap throttle enhancer.

Given those points, I wouldn't shy away from a 1st year model at this point. Living in fear is not good for one's mental health. A prudent person will have a contingency plan for any failure event.
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Banks Engineering has good info on 'throttle enhancers' that cause serious issues with the electronics. I'm glad I just happened to read about it before buying one.
 
oledirteh said:
Banks is also trying to sell there stuff. I'd say the same thing.
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Maybe and of course they are trying to sell their 'stuff'. Last time I checked, isn't that what businesses do? Please name another company that goes into great detail to explain their products performance. Yes, there are quality aftermarket companies out there and i buy from them as well. Overall, Gale Banks is a very smart, has tons of experience and shares his knowledge in a positive way. Not to mention, he calls out the BS when he sees it. Hard to find a company that is that complete in knowledge and quality.
 
Jimmy07 said:
And when is that determined?
You see, people could’ve said the same thing for the 2019 trucks, waited for the “kinks” to get worked out, then get a 2022, and have the most problematic vehicle ever.

I mean, it’s not like people don’t know what they’re ordering with the 2025’s- the new CAN architecture and driver assistance features have been around since the 2021 Grand Cherokee L. With ZF’s reputation, there’s no reason to be worried about the new trans. And, the new emissions and Cummins can’t possibly be any worse than they’ve been the last few years, can they?
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It’s all about the color. Once they bring back Delmonico red I’m in.
 
RAMMITDOWN said:
Maybe and of course they are trying to sell their 'stuff'. Last time I checked, isn't that what businesses do? Please name another company that goes into great detail to explain their products performance. Yes, there are quality aftermarket companies out there and i buy from them as well. Overall, Gale Banks is a very smart, has tons of experience and shares his knowledge in a positive way. Not to mention, he calls out the BS when he sees it. Hard to find a company that is that complete in knowledge and quality.
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I dont see anyone else trashing banks or anyone else to sell a product. wrong forum to come and be a banks stan. just letting you know. And this is coming from a guy that has banks stuff on his truck.
 
RAMMITDOWN said:
Maybe and of course they are trying to sell their 'stuff'. Last time I checked, isn't that what businesses do? Please name another company that goes into great detail to explain their products performance. Yes, there are quality aftermarket companies out there and i buy from them as well. Overall, Gale Banks is a very smart, has tons of experience and shares his knowledge in a positive way. Not to mention, he calls out the BS when he sees it. Hard to find a company that is that complete in knowledge and quality.
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At the end of the day, Banks is a fantastic marketer, and he is applying very basic marketing principles in a solid way and thus getting folks to think he is a genius. Gale Banks is simply "manufacturing demand", or as you may often hear it "create the problem, sell the solution". There isn't strictly a nefarious meaning behind it, but you'll notice that there is a lot of twisting and manipulating data in order to get the results that put Banks on the top of every single item they sell.

To keep is short, I'll simply say that Banks does a lot of marketing to discuss how engines are basically giant air pumps, which is pretty accurate. He then takes his reframing, and talks about air movement, specifically Mass Air Flow (or MAF as it's commonly referenced) and his products all have more MAF that competitors. That's all well and good, but why is MAF important? Airflow is important only in that we have enough to produce horsepower, and you'll notice that not a single Banks "performance" product lists a horsepower increase number. Why? Is that not the key number in any aftermarket performance modification?

My perception is that it all comes down to outcome. Banks tests his monster intake horn vs the AFE for example, and the while the AFE has a 25% increase in airflow over stock, the Banks has a 75% increase. Well the AFE lists HP and Torque numbers, why does the Banks product not? I'll wager a guess that the Banks horn does not double the HP number but it does roughly double the cost. Every Banks product is more expensive than the competition, but I highly doubt their actual horsepower numbers, and at the end of the day every performance mods comes down to a question of price to HP, strictly speaking.
 
UglyViking said:
At the end of the day, Banks is a fantastic marketer, and he is applying very basic marketing principles in a solid way and thus getting folks to think he is a genius. Gale Banks is simply "manufacturing demand", or as you may often hear it "create the problem, sell the solution". There isn't strictly a nefarious meaning behind it, but you'll notice that there is a lot of twisting and manipulating data in order to get the results that put Banks on the top of every single item they sell.

To keep is short, I'll simply say that Banks does a lot of marketing to discuss how engines are basically giant air pumps, which is pretty accurate. He then takes his reframing, and talks about air movement, specifically Mass Air Flow (or MAF as it's commonly referenced) and his products all have more MAF that competitors. That's all well and good, but why is MAF important? Airflow is important only in that we have enough to produce horsepower, and you'll notice that not a single Banks "performance" product lists a horsepower increase number. Why? Is that not the key number in any aftermarket performance modification?

My perception is that it all comes down to outcome. Banks tests his monster intake horn vs the AFE for example, and the while the AFE has a 25% increase in airflow over stock, the Banks has a 75% increase. Well the AFE lists HP and Torque numbers, why does the Banks product not? I'll wager a guess that the Banks horn does not double the HP number but it does roughly double the cost. Every Banks product is more expensive than the competition, but I highly doubt their actual horsepower numbers, and at the end of the day every performance mods comes down to a question of price to HP, strictly speaking.
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Dang, well said!

hasnt it been proven the ram horn loses HP? Not sure.
 
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