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Official 2025 Ram HD

UglyViking said:
The grille isn't even larger, it's just slightly tweaked so they can fit, what I presume, is some sort of safety device on the front. Fenders appear to have the identical shape, bumper appears identical. Looks like literally just the headlights, lower grille surround, and grille.

They took the absolute worst gen GM, and said "let's run with this!". Even GM realized their mistake with the updated HD trucks.
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Excited about the new ZF trans, but every day I'm more concerned that dodge is losing connection with their base.
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“ Dodge is losing connection with their base”, Dodge has nothing to do with it, not since 2010.
 
I am afraid Stellantis is the cause of this. I feel like Ram was making progress towards something special for a lot of years. You could see it in marketing, design, and some improvements in reliability and quality. But keeping everyone in the dark for long over due improvements in 2025 to find out those are years away yet while the competition made them years ago, and starting to believe it was purely a ploy to sell down inventory on lots is sad. One new transmission and ugly grill are not news. And now folks are placing orders for who knows what......This is as bad as Fords last 10 new vehicle roll outs!
 
SolidAxleorBust said:
I am afraid Stellantis is the cause of this. I feel like Ram was making progress towards something special for a lot of years. You could see it in marketing, design, and some improvements in reliability and quality. But keeping everyone in the dark for long over due improvements in 2025 to find out those are years away yet while the competition made them years ago, and starting to believe it was purely a ploy to sell down inventory on lots is sad. One new transmission and ugly grill are not news. And now folks are placing orders for who knows what......This is as bad as Fords last 10 new vehicle roll outs!
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They are 100% at fault for the demise of Ram. Both in general quality as well as customer care. They have no interest in the brand or its loyal consumer base. Their sole interests are swelling their shareholders portfolio and maintaining their progressive, woke, liberalist persona via social media. I know there are exceptional people at Ram who want to provide a quality, reliable, and impressive product to their loyal customers, but their intentions are stifled by the Stellantis hierarchy. They need to just get out of the American market and sell the company to Frank Rhodes Jr. but unfortunately Stellantis has turned his offer down. Sometimes I swear they’re intentionally trying to kill the brand
 
I have had this displeasure to watch this before. In the 90s Mitsubishi made some of best, most advanced products you could buy. Now relegated to junk **** boxes and nearly gone. I bought Nissans in the early 2000s, now they are headed the exact same direction. Enthusiasts and customers scream as loud as they can and nothing changes. Getting car companies back on the rails takes more then flashy CEOs getting 100 Million dollar bonuses for declining sales. As a CEO I would sit down with actual customer focus groups before making any decisions. I would have a well run forum with specialized forums to discuss highly technical issues, from fixing design flaws, to what size tires for the next power wagon, to do we really need 10,000lb of torque out of the next diesel, or what gear ratios do buyers see as optimal. A Japanese Mitsubishi engineer tried it for 6 months.....they never found his body. Not saying this is where Ram and Jeep is going, but the threat is real.
 
I feel it's due to the decline in HD and half ton trucks. Payment -conscious consumers are pulling back as these trucks are going for an arm and a leg now. Ram Trucks continue to lose sales in a huge way [ and wont lower prices ] but yet Ford and Chevy are gaining in sales. What gives? how is Chevy and Ford gaining in sales, yet Ram is declining. I feel Ford and Chevy don't break down their truck market from car market and Ram separates the truck sales from car sales. I think SolidAxLeorBust is 100 % correct.
 
SolidAxleorBust said:
As a CEO I would sit down with actual customer focus groups before making any decisions. I would have a well run forum with specialized forums to discuss highly technical issues, from fixing design flaws, to what size tires for the next power wagon, to do we really need 10,000lb of torque out of the next diesel, or what gear ratios do buyers see as optimal.
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This is the way.

But it takes a lot of courage to break down the walls of the ivory towers. It also takes the right people who can act as the intermediary between the house and the public. If they would do this, and commit to it fully and completely, it would immeasurably improve their product. They need to hire a team that can make this happen. I can think of some very good people to be on it.
 
RAMMITDOWN said:
Still a good looking truck. At times it seems as if all the manufacturers sit down and compare designs. It doesn't look crazy different from my 2021 3500. Features/performance will be interesting!!??
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Interesting? Maybe.
Certainly not impressive.

10hp more than a comparable 2021-2024 High Output and the exact same torque figure.

430HP and 1075 lb ft

Some really significant changes to the upper end of the engine but still a 6.7 displacement and a hydraulic roller lifter valvetrain.
 
SolidAxleorBust said:
Now relegated to junk **** boxes and nearly gone. I bought Nissans in the early 2000s, now they are headed the exact same direction
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just sold my 2009 Nissan GT-R with 42k on it. Garaged most of its life. The dash was self destructing. $5300 for a new dash not including labor. Horrible quality for a world super car. For some reason, all manufacturers have their QC issues.
My RAM has a 12" display and I'm cringing when it goes out - you know, it runs almost every function in the cab. I bought the upscale Laramie for the wife. She appreciates the amenities, especially after putting up with 'BigBlack', my 2001 F350 CC dually LB. Solid as a brick and rode like one too.
 
RAMMITDOWN said:
Well it beats the 5.9's solid lifter arrangement. What are you looking for, electronic valve control?? Or did I misinterpret your statement??
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The 5.9 and 6.7 with solid lifter arrangement is in every way superior to the current hydraulic lifter system currently in use between 19-24. In fact, it’s so poor, it’s currently under engineering review at Cummins because they’re having significant issues with lifters failing prematurely. Rollers spalling, HLA’s not cushioning the valve closure and causing premature wear to the pushrods and the rollers, etc etc. Prior to 19 lifter failure was vertically non existent on these engines.

Cummins doesn’t even use that valvetrain in their commercial B6.7 engines. Only the FCA bound 6.7 engines get hydraulic lifter. That should tell you plenty.
 
mbarber84 said:
The 5.9 and 6.7 with solid lifter arrangement is in every way superior to the current hydraulic lifter system currently in use between 19-24. In fact, it’s so poor, it’s currently under engineering review at Cummins because they’re having significant issues with lifters failing prematurely. Rollers spalling, HLA’s not cushioning the valve closure and causing premature wear to the pushrods and the rollers, etc etc. Prior to 19 lifter failure was vertically non existent on these engines.

Cummins doesn’t even use that valvetrain in their commercial B6.7 engines. Only the FCA bound 6.7 engines get hydraulic lifter. That should tell you plenty.
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Thank you for the explanation. Do you happen to know what the service intervals are on the valve lash? I'm not sure why Cummins is having such problems with the rollers - typically a very desirable setup for wear. Could be an oiling issue related to volume or quality. I have heard of some synthetics causing 'skidding' of certain types of bearings (ball) if I remember correctly. Do you know if there is a white paper on the issue Cummins is having?
Lots of good people with great info on this site. I'm coming away from old school 7.3 knowledge to current tech Cummins, lots to learn.
 
RAMMITDOWN said:
Thank you for the explanation. Do you happen to know what the service intervals are on the valve lash? I'm not sure why Cummins is having such problems with the rollers - typically a very desirable setup for wear. Could be an oiling issue related to volume or quality. I have heard of some synthetics causing 'skidding' of certain types of bearings (ball) if I remember correctly. Do you know if there is a white paper on the issue Cummins is having?
Lots of good people with great info on this site. I'm coming away from old school 7.3 knowledge to current tech Cummins, lots to learn.
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There is no service interval on the current valvetrain because the lash is supposed to be taken up by the hydraulic lifter assembly itself. The rocker arms are not adjustable. There is no external document (yet) but I would expect there will be some viable explanation for some of the issues they’re having at some point. Supplier quality control issues being one of them for sure. As for the roller itself, it is a bushing style bearing. It does not use ball or needle bearings.
 
mbarber84 said:
There is no service interval on the current valvetrain because the lash is supposed to be taken up by the hydraulic lifter assembly itself. The rocker arms are not adjustable. There is no external document (yet) but I would expect there will be some viable explanation for some of the issues they’re having at some point. Supplier quality control issues being one of them for sure. As for the roller itself, it is a bushing style bearing. It does not use ball or needle bearings.
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Thanks for getting back to me. I meant the service interval on the solid lifter design. I totally agree with you on the supplier issue. Whether it is a Boeing airplane, Cummins engine or a flippin' blender, it seems that the supply chain is broken if not crooked. since Covid it has been even worse than before. In some ways, I feel bad for manufacturers trusting a vendor to deliver quality products/service. Just look at the airbag debacle. Greed seems to have grown more than 'normal'.
 
Pasta4lnch said:
I was really nervous to get mine in 2024 knowing a new one was on the horizon...aesthetics alone, I'm ok w mine, lol. curious to know more about other main changes.
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Hey, I'm curious if you have any vibration issues with your 24. I just picked mine up today and low rpms 40ish mph, its horrible, just sold my 23 for the same reason. Thanks
 
mbarber84 said:
There is no service interval on the current valvetrain because the lash is supposed to be taken up by the hydraulic lifter assembly itself. The rocker arms are not adjustable. There is no external document (yet) but I would expect there will be some viable explanation for some of the issues they’re having at some point. Supplier quality control issues being one of them for sure. As for the roller itself, it is a bushing style bearing. It does not use ball or needle bearings.
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I looked at the post/images regarding the lifter failure. I'm curious if the cam in our trucks are the same as the solid lifter. The images suggest that it is an oil supply failure and/or a hardening issue with the rollers. As you say, time will tell.
 
RAMMITDOWN said:
I looked at the post/images regarding the lifter failure. I'm curious if the cam in our trucks are the same as the solid lifter. The images suggest that it is an oil supply failure and/or a hardening issue with the rollers. As you say, time will tell.
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The current 19+ CGI engine design uses a hollow camshaft in addition to the change from flat tappet lifters.

Recommended service interval on the flat tappet was 125-150K.
 
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