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Official 2025 Ram HD
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I think this front end is the results of trying to get a "new" truck without any cost. Management tells the designers that they have to make the trucks look different but they don't want the cost associated with changing any sheet metal so the designers are left with nothing to change but the lights and grill and the new lights still have to fit in the same hole. I could imagine a scenario where designers probably didn't change much initially because there's not much to work with and management wasn't happy and wanted more and the designers said "Ok, you want more, give this ugly mug a try" and management fell in love just because it's something "new".
Up until these pictures came out I was wondering if I would regret getting a 24 since the 25 would have the ZF trans (which I love in other applications and yes I know they aren't exactly the same but close enough) but now I'm more than happy to have the Aisin and a good looking front end. Maybe seeing it in person will make it better but I have my doubts. The only thing that will make the Rebel grill in particular better will the dark of night.
Up until these pictures came out I was wondering if I would regret getting a 24 since the 25 would have the ZF trans (which I love in other applications and yes I know they aren't exactly the same but close enough) but now I'm more than happy to have the Aisin and a good looking front end. Maybe seeing it in person will make it better but I have my doubts. The only thing that will make the Rebel grill in particular better will the dark of night.
They have been making new trucks without much additional cost since 2010 or 2013 if you want to start when the suspension was modified. Thats a dozen plus years on practically the same frame and body. Now thats not necessarily a bad thing - our trucks are still class leading. The GM and Ford interiors don't have the quality or look of a new Laramie or higher.
All that to say its time for RAM to reinvent the wheel and make a true 5th gen. For what we pay on a truck they can make a new one that has few parts shared with the 4th gen and still make their money.
All that to say its time for RAM to reinvent the wheel and make a true 5th gen. For what we pay on a truck they can make a new one that has few parts shared with the 4th gen and still make their money.
The ‘19 got an entirely new frame.
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19 is not a new frame. At most they changed the cab mount ears for bigger ones that allow larger mounts. Holes were also made in radius arms and that’s about it.
"New" is subjective, but there were significant changes made.
The facts do not support your statement.
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Different steel types and some small changes. Again not "entirely new frame" Design is almost exactly the same as I’ve had late 4th gen and 2019. I looked."New" is subjective, but there were significant changes made.
The facts do not support your statement.
2019+ cab also got some changes, including a new firewall, but it’s not "entirely a new cab"
These trucks got the "entirely new frame" in 2013/2014. That was a massive change from before. Different suspension, frame rail widths, crossmembers, etc. It was big.
Better name for 2019+ is a frame "facelift."
The changes are so suttle it cracks me up what most of you say. It looks nothing like a chevy.
The grill looks closer to the Power waygons grill than chevys. I'm sure the design of the grill is to direct air where needed. The ones that bought a 24 are just upset they didn't wait for the 25 model. More HP, more torque, 8 speed transmission in which I'm not happy about, the Asian 6 speed is a work horse.
The grill looks closer to the Power waygons grill than chevys. I'm sure the design of the grill is to direct air where needed. The ones that bought a 24 are just upset they didn't wait for the 25 model. More HP, more torque, 8 speed transmission in which I'm not happy about, the Asian 6 speed is a work horse.
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Well, played!
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No reason to make big changes to the frame if you're not making big changes to the body and powertrain. Wonder if the 2025 HO ZF will require a frame "facelift"
Frustrating as hell watching TFL video calling out the "massive fist-in-the-wind" grill on the '25s. it's the exact same size as the rest of the '19+ models. Even the split headlights fit right into the same footprint of the previous trucks. So a radar, split headlights, and some new plastic. Big whoop.
Frustrating as hell watching TFL video calling out the "massive fist-in-the-wind" grill on the '25s. it's the exact same size as the rest of the '19+ models. Even the split headlights fit right into the same footprint of the previous trucks. So a radar, split headlights, and some new plastic. Big whoop.
The pepole bashing the looks of it have no concept on how a truck should or shouldn't look like.
I’ll admit that I definitely have no concept of what a truck should or shouldn’t look like. Can you help me out by explaining exactly what a truck should and shouldn’t look like?
Glad to, thanks for asking.
Balance, that the front of the vehicle, the hood area, the cabin, the bed area, they all feel like they were meant to be together.
Most pepole coment on one things such as the grill or the headlights but not the truck as a whole.
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Nothing else on the truck changed except that gawd awful grill/headlight setup.
What you're saying is the 19-24 trucks were not "balanced" and now this is?
LOL
Sorry, but that front end looks like AI when it tries to draw people and they have backwards knees, 9 fingers, 3 arms, and a guardrail through their midsection.
Never said anything about the 19 - 24 trucks being balanced.
Like I said a while back, I drive them from the inside not the out side.
I feel Ram has the best interior finishes and layout of any other HD truck.
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I think the interior comment is spot on - RAM interior is far ahead. I think the interior is basically what keeps me coming back more than the Cummins. Even the Denali which is basically the Escalade interior is so cheap compared to a Laramie. Excited to see what else 25 brings.
So, you’re the one that makes that determination for everyone?
OMG, Well I guess it's a good thing I didn't ask for your permission to have an opinion. I do have to say I do enjoy a lot of your Teck ideas on this form, you help a lot of others with their problems.
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Yeah this is my only gripe as well. I had a 5th gen Ram ecodiesel and that flat floor in the rear was so nice for the dogs. I needed to upgrade to an HD truck for our new camper and it was during COVID. I couldn't find the Ram I wanted and couldn't order one so I ended up with a 2021 Silverado 3500 gas truck and the back seat room and flat floor was so nice. I wanted a diesel so I ended up back in a Ram 2500 with the Cummins. The back seat is ok in my 2500 but with having to use the fold flat floor it makes it really high off the ground and it is smaller as well. I honestly wouldn't even care if there was more room just if they could figure out how to make the floor flat .I am shocked that they haven't updated the cab yet. Having said that I do appreciate the overall smaller size of the Ram HD's compared to the Ford and Chevy. My Chevy 3500 was enormous.
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