Please Post Payload Sticker from Driver's Door Jamb.

[Buckrub]

I've been towing for a few years. IMHO, and I'm no gearhead, all towing specs should read "This specification only applies if the Cargo Carrying Capacity is not exceeded". I also think that if you are within the CCC, most of the other specs somehow all fall into place, most of the time.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I've been towing for a few years. IMHO, and I'm no gearhead, all towing specs should read "This specification only applies if the Cargo Carrying Capacity is not exceeded". I also think that if you are within the CCC, most of the other specs somehow all fall into place, most of the time.

The only time that sticker matters is if you are at the GVWR at least you know what pressure to have the tires at lol

 

[Brutal_HO]

The CCC on my 2024 RAM 2500 Laramie Night Edition is 2119lbs. I called RAM tech support. ANYTHING I put in my truck or attached to it counts towards the 2119lbs CCC. Myself, my wife, my dog and 31 gallons of diesel weight 638lbs. That leaves 1481lbs of "stuff" I can load into the truck or attached to it, i.e. hitch/pin weight. I see and speak with people who are towing 41' 5th wheels with a RAM 2500. I look up the pin weight of their model and sometimes they show me the door jam sticker. They are so far over the CCC of the truck it's unbelievable. They say, "My 2500 will tow 20K pounds. True, it will. Get a 4-wheel flat trailer, load 20k lbs. of rocks on it, tie a rope from the trailer to the 2500's bumper, and down the road you can go. I spoke with a guy with an F250 Limited. He had a 37' 5th wheel. I saw his door jam sticker. CCC was 1960lbs. His pin weight was 2350lbs. With nothing in his F250 he was over the CCC, and he had no idea he was. I casually speak with people at campgrounds who are towing large 5th wheels or TT's. They have no idea about CCC.

Because everyone calls it payload.

 

[Buckrub]

The only time that sticker matters is if you are at the GVWR at least you know what pressure to have the tires at lol

So payload numbers are all meaningless?? Load up whatever you want???

 

[AH64ID]

So payload numbers are all meaningless?? Load up whatever you want???

In this application basically yes, payload is marketing and axle limits are what you need to adhere to.

 

[Riccochet]

So payload numbers are all meaningless?? Load up whatever you want???

All the numbers are meaningless to people that don't care or were misinformed. Truck and RV dealers are the worst about it. They don't care if your grossly overloaded. That's your problem once you drive off the lot. The whole situation is compounded when you have uneducated buyers getting bad information from dealers that only care about making a sale. And then they run with that bad information as though it's gospel.

Then we'll get threads from new members on forums like this about "just bought a 46' DRV, my 3/4 ton truck sags a lot and is so unstable while towing it. How do I fix this?!?"

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

So payload numbers are all meaningless?? Load up whatever you want???

Yes they only adhere to REGISTRATION weight not actual weight capacity of the vehicle. Go by the AXLE Weight capacities listed on the other sticker on the door jamb. Regardless the vehicle components will take more than the tires will on all trucks other than a dually. Sticking to the axle weights is the key

 

[jsalbre]

Yes they only adhere to REGISTRATION weight not actual weight capacity of the vehicle. Go by the AXLE Weight capacities listed on the other sticker on the door jamb. Regardless the vehicle components will take more than the tires will on all trucks other than a dually. Sticking to the axle weights is the key

This may be true for our Rams, but I’d caution people against assuming it applies to all vehicles. I guarantee there are vehicles out there with braking, cooling, or drivetrain that aren’t built to handle the combined weight of FAWR+RAWR.

 

[AH64ID]

This may be true for our Rams, but I’d caution people against assuming it applies to all vehicles. I guarantee there are vehicles out there with braking, cooling, or drivetrain that aren’t built to handle the combined weight of FAWR+RAWR.

Those vehicles typically have a FAWR+RAWR that won’t exceed GVWR, unlike a HD Ram.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

This may be true for our Rams, but I’d caution people against assuming it applies to all vehicles. I guarantee there are vehicles out there with braking, cooling, or drivetrain that aren’t built to handle the combined weight of FAWR+RAWR.

Nope should not be based on the global engineering standard 3:1 safety factor. ( according to the engineers i work with) But it is possible

 

[Buckrub]

It is my understanding that the CCC as listed on the door jamb sticker is a vehicle-by-vehicle actual rating as weighed as they come off the line. E.G., the CCC on my GMC and many other vehicles I've seen, are written in by hand with a Sharpie or paint pen. They're not preprinted. And they vary even for two vehicles that seem to be identical. I would say I've not seen any dually that had the axle ratings be an issue IF the CCC is adhered to. But you have to weigh your vehicle and calculate YOUR pin weight, not some book value.

 

[Brutal_HO]

Payload is listed on the sticker and every chart. Most often stated as some version of "The combined maximum weight of cargo and passengers should never exceed:"





I don't know why a few members here insist on using this non-existent made up mouthful of marbles "CCC" term.

Cargo capacity DOES NOT INCLUDE passengers and fuel load.

Payload is the only proper term to use.

 

[Buckrub]

How Much Stuff Can You Carry?

www.aboutrving.com

How Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC) Works

It's relatively simple to determine when you've added a little too much weight to your car, truck or SUV. But what if you were loading something much bigger -- perhaps a massive recreational vehicle?

auto.howstuffworks.com

I didn't make it up.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

It is my understanding that the CCC as listed on the door jamb sticker is a vehicle-by-vehicle actual rating as weighed as they come off the line. E.G., the CCC on my GMC and many other vehicles I've seen, are written in by hand with a Sharpie or paint pen. They're not preprinted. And they vary even for two vehicles that seem to be identical. I would say I've not seen any dually that had the axle ratings be an issue IF the CCC is adhered to. But you have to weigh your vehicle and calculate YOUR pin weight, not some book value.

Its based off the actual weight empty yes.

And obviously no dually would hit the axle weights if it goes by the PAYLOAD because the payload is typically under the axle cap listed by the vehicle manufacture and way under the axle rating listed from the axle manufacture.

 

[RunsWithBeer]

I haven't taken the truck to scales yet. What does the BASE CURB WT represent? Is that the curb weight with no options?
"max_payload":"5477.94",
"GVWR":"14000",
"GCWR":"41600.00",
"BASE_CURB_WT":"8436",
"max_towing":"32794",
"axle_front_wt":"6000",
"axle_rear_wt":"9750",

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

I haven't taken the truck to scales yet. What does the BASE CURB WT represent? Is that the curb weight with no options?
"max_payload":"5477.94",
"GVWR":"14000",
"GCWR":"41600.00",
"BASE_CURB_WT":"8436",
"max_towing":"32794",
"axle_front_wt":"6000",
"axle_rear_wt":"9750",

No that base curb weight is your truck as built and optioned

 

[Scouter75]

Axle ratings are what actually matters.

There’s always a limiting factor and it’s rarely the axle itself. In Ram 2500’s it’s the coil suspension. They take the 10k GVWR seriously and designed a truck that rides like a dream because of it. The rear axle is actually lighter in the Ram 2500 than in the 3500, where Ford uses the same axle in both 250s and 350s, I believe.

That said, the reason for the 10k rating, that’s artificial in Fords, but not so much in Rams, is that 10k is the lower limit for when a CDL is required for commercial trucks in many states. So a landscaper driving a 10k truck for work in Missouri wouldn’t need a CDL but if the sticker says 11k, then technically they would. Hence the 10k “package”.

 

[AH64ID]

There’s always a limiting factor and it’s rarely the axle itself. In Ram 2500’s it’s the coil suspension. They take the 10k GVWR seriously and designed a truck that rides like a dream because of it. The rear axle is actually lighter in the Ram 2500 than in the 3500, where Ford uses the same axle in both 250s and 350s, I believe.

That said, the reason for the 10k rating, that’s artificial in Fords, but not so much in Rams, is that 10k is the lower limit for when a CDL is required for commercial trucks in many states. So a landscaper driving a 10k truck for work in Missouri wouldn’t need a CDL but if the sticker says 11k, then technically they would. Hence the 10k “package”.

The axle housing in all HD Rams is the same, aside from nuance differences for leafs vs coils and SRW vs DRW. Both the 11.5” and 12.0” R&P fit in the same housing.

Ford has 2 different SRW axles for their Super Duty trucks (unless there has been a recent change), Sterling 10.5” (standard on F250) and the M275 (standard on F350, optional on F250).

The 10K GVWR is a paper limit based on vehicle classifications, not limitations to make it ride better.

 

[H3LZSN1P3R]

There’s always a limiting factor and it’s rarely the axle itself. In Ram 2500’s it’s the coil suspension. They take the 10k GVWR seriously and designed a truck that rides like a dream because of it. The rear axle is actually lighter in the Ram 2500 than in the 3500, where Ford uses the same axle in both 250s and 350s, I believe.

That said, the reason for the 10k rating, that’s artificial in Fords, but not so much in Rams, is that 10k is the lower limit for when a CDL is required for commercial trucks in many states. So a landscaper driving a 10k truck for work in Missouri wouldn’t need a CDL but if the sticker says 11k, then technically they would. Hence the 10k “package”.

The 3500 SO and gassers use the same axle as the 2500 but have a different GVWR. The 2500 coils can take more than the 10k gvwr… you are right about the registration reasons thats it

 

[AH64ID]

The 3500 SO and gassers use the same axle as the 2500 but have a different GVWR. The 2500 coils can take more than the 10k gvwr… you are right about the registration reasons thats it

And really only the guts are different, the housing supports the weight and is the same.