Automatic Regen too often

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

The Stratapore filters and any other filter, that I know of for the 6.7 Cummins, doesn’t have an ADBV. What I have noticed with the Stratapore filter is that it does drain back more of the oil than the cellulose filters do. This is from letting the truck sit before doing an oil change and observing the amount of oil still in the filter. This probably is because of the flow the Stratapore filter is capable of. If it flows easily one direction then it flows just as easily in the other direction. I have run the DBL and noticed that the oil level drops down in them also but not as much as the Stratapore filter does. Running the Baldwin cellulose filter it drops very little.

Is it the same for the OEM Mopar? The tech said the fleetguard and Mopar are the same with different badging, and spoke of both having the ADBV. So much confusing info out there. I just want whatever is best for the truck, and I know with hydraulic lifters you have to have oil at the ready (and that could possibly explain the hydraulic lifter failures on the updated CID...)

 

[OLEJOE]

Is it the same for the OEM Mopar? The tech said the fleetguard and Mopar are the same with different badging, and spoke of both having the ADBV. So much confusing info out there. I just want whatever is best for the truck, and I know with hydraulic lifters you have to have oil at the ready (and that could possibly explain the hydraulic lifter failures on the updated CID...)

Neither of the filters you mentioned have an anti drain back valve.
And that tech doesn’t know what he’s talking about. That’s not surprising either.

 

[OLEJOE]

If the filter doesn’t have a rubber or silicone flap covering the inlet holes in the filter, it doesn’t have an ADBV.

 

[OLEJOE]

So I noticed something as I was getting all my tools and things loaded back in my truck. The Donaldson filter was in it's package in the bed. Theres a fleetguard stratopore filter on my truck instead. I called the dealer, and spoke to the tech to inquire. He advised Donaldson filters dont have an anti flow back valve which makes for "dry starts". Knowing that oil less starts are bad for my gasser 94 z71 with roller cam, hydraulic lifters, etc...if true makes me not want to use the DBL filter and maybe just keep as an emergency back up.

I was curious if you guys know about that with the DBL filters?

I also find it very interesting that the dealer installed a LF16035 Stratapore filter on your truck. If it is indeed a Fleetguard filter it is more likely to be an LF3972 which is the same as the Mopar filter. Just without the paint job.

 

[AH64ID]

I was curious if you guys know about that with the DBL filters?

That tech is clueless, the ISB doesn't require a ADBV because the filter is installed vertically. I have not found a single filter for this application to have one.

Are you sure they installed a Stratopore? That would be very odd for the dealership to install, if they made you pay for the filter I'd be pissed since the tech was clueless and installed an inferior filter to the one provided. I'd also be speaking to the techs boss about his incompetence.

Yet another reason not to have the dealership touch your truck for anything except warranty work.

This probably is because of the flow the Stratapore filter is capable of.

The stratapore and standard Fleetguard filter have the same flow rating, which is much lower than the Donaldson flow rating.

 

[19Ram2500.Mega]

Update on my truck.

After replacing several seals including the crank case, the truck would still go into regen far too often. It's getting a new dpf (again....I think its the third....but would have to check).

Part of me is hoping it doesn't "fix" the issue, as I feel a new dpf will just mask what is really going on and causing failures in my truck. From what I was told my dpf looked fine, but due to the fuel/oil dilution issue that led to my third set of injectors, they wanted to replace it anyhow, just to see if it wasn't working optimally.

 

[OLEJOE]

Update on my truck.

After replacing several seals including the crank case, the truck would still go into regen far too often. It's getting a new dpf (again....I think its the third....but would have to check).

Part of me is hoping it doesn't "fix" the issue, as I feel a new dpf will just mask what is really going on and causing failures in my truck. From what I was told my dpf looked fine, but due to the fuel/oil dilution issue that led to my third set of injectors, they wanted to replace it anyhow, just to see if it wasn't working optimally.

They need to order a couple more DPFs while they’re ordering if they don’t fix the underlying issues.

 

[19Ram2500.Mega]

They need to order a couple more DPFs while they’re ordering if they don’t fix the underlying issues.

I'm just worried it's going to fall out of warranty. All these test drives add up.

 

[OLEJOE]

That tech is clueless, the ISB doesn't require a ADBV because the filter is installed vertically. I have not found a single filter for this application to have one.

Are you sure they installed a Stratopore? That would be very odd for the dealership to install, if they made you pay for the filter I'd be pissed since the tech was clueless and installed an inferior filter to the one provided. I'd also be speaking to the techs boss about his incompetence.

Yet another reason not to have the dealership touch your truck for anything except warranty work.



The stratapore and standard Fleetguard filter have the same flow rating, which is much lower than the Donaldson flow rating.

Not arguing about the claimed flow rates. Just stating what my observations have been with the various filters on 2 different 6.7 trucks.

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

I also find it very interesting that the dealer installed a LF16035 Stratapore filter on your truck. If it is indeed a Fleetguard filter it is more likely to be an LF3972 which is the same as the Mopar filter. Just without the paint job.

Lf16035 is what it says... not sure why he went that route verses the 3972 as you stated

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

That tech is clueless, the ISB doesn't require a ADBV because the filter is installed vertically. I have not found a single filter for this application to have one.

Are you sure they installed a Stratopore? That would be very odd for the dealership to install, if they made you pay for the filter I'd be pissed since the tech was clueless and installed an inferior filter to the one provided. I'd also be speaking to the techs boss about his incompetence.

Yet another reason not to have the dealership touch your truck for anything except warranty work.



The stratapore and standard Fleetguard filter have the same flow rating, which is much lower than the Donaldson flow rating.

They did not make me pay for it, and returned the Donaldson filter to me. Well, kind of. I found it in the bed, and was otherwise not told of the substitute until I inquired.

FL16035 is what it says. The ADBV discussion just makes me distrust mechanics - and this guy is one of their level 3 techs - ram dealers, and ram corporate even more.....

Nothing adds up anymore. The claim the old DPFs were smaller. The ADBV discussion, everything else...

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

Update on my truck.

After replacing several seals including the crank case, the truck would still go into regen far too often. It's getting a new dpf (again....I think its the third....but would have to check).

Part of me is hoping it doesn't "fix" the issue, as I feel a new dpf will just mask what is really going on and causing failures in my truck. From what I was told my dpf looked fine, but due to the fuel/oil dilution issue that led to my third set of injectors, they wanted to replace it anyhow, just to see if it wasn't working optimally.

Is the DPF covered? I know in Oklahoma we only get 3 years/36k miles

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

I also find it very interesting that the dealer installed a LF16035 Stratapore filter on your truck. If it is indeed a Fleetguard filter it is more likely to be an LF3972 which is the same as the Mopar filter. Just without the paint job.

Sent the tech a text as he gave me his personal number - he said the LF16035 was from his personal stash, and not from the dealer. However he did bill Ram for a filter to then just get a replacement FL16035 for his personal stash again. Not sure how that works, but his explanation nonetheless

 

[OLEJOE]

That’s weird.

 

[batman900]

Is the DPF covered? I know in Oklahoma we only get 3 years/36k miles

RAM covers emissions for 5yr/50k. I'm also in OK. I have the extended Mopar warranty as well but it doesn't include the DPF. The rest of emissions is covered but not the filter.

 

[mbarber84]

Without getting too far off topic:

The LF16035 does not have an ADBV. I routinely cut mine open to inspect the pleats for wear material. There’s nothing wrong with that filter for use in a 6.7. It’s an excellent choice. The Donaldson does have better specs, but you’re not going to have any issues running that filter. I would say however, that it’s very odd that a tech would install a filter “from his personal stash”…..that leaves me with questions. Chief among which is: “where does he buy the filters from?”…..if that answer is Amazon or eBay…..well…..you know how that goes. He has already demonstrated a lack of trustworthiness in that he’s not accurate on his filter knowledge.

The Donaldson should have been installed per the customers request. If there was any question as to wether or not the supplied Donaldson was safe to use, the proper response would have been to contact you, the owner, and have a discussion prior to making any snap decisions.

Personally I would probably pull that filter off and replace it with the Donaldson, if only for the simple fact you have no way of knowing if it’s a legitimate Fleetguard filter or not.

 

[mbarber84]

RAM covers emissions for 5yr/50k. I'm also in OK. I have the extended Mopar warranty as well but it doesn't include the DPF. The rest of emissions is covered but not the filter.

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It depends on which state you’re registered in. Some states that follow CARB regulations have extended emissions warranty under the California emissions law. 7 years / 70,000 miles

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

Without getting too far off topic:

The LF16035 does not have an ADBV. I routinely cut mine open to inspect the pleats for wear material. There’s nothing wrong with that filter for use in a 6.7. It’s an excellent choice. The Donaldson does have better specs, but you’re not going to have any issues running that filter. I would say however, that it’s very odd that a tech would install a filter “from his personal stash”…..that leaves me with questions. Chief among which is: “where does he buy the filters from?”…..if that answer is Amazon or eBay…..well…..you know how that goes. He has already demonstrated a lack of trustworthiness in that he’s not accurate on his filter knowledge.

The Donaldson should have been installed per the customers request. If there was any question as to wether or not the supplied Donaldson was safe to use, the proper response would have been to contact you, the owner, and have a discussion prior to making any snap decisions.

Personally I would probably pull that filter off and replace it with the Donaldson, if only for the simple fact you have no way of knowing if it’s a legitimate Fleetguard filter or not.

This is my plan for the weekend - install the Donaldson

 

[Wilder]

Does anyone know how frequently regen has to occur to get a P2549 code? since picking up my truck from the dealer on friday, the following has happened:

• Picked up at 68490 miles
• DPF guage was over ¼ full by 68534 miles
• Regen started at 68581 miles (delta 91 miles since picking it up)
• Regen ended around 68620 miles and DPF guage instantly showed 1 notch up from empty
• 68690 miles – another regen started (delta 70 miles from end of last regen

Seems like this would be frequently enough to cause a "frequent regen" code but nothing pops up on the dash. Is this a "behind the scenes" code? I have a case open with ramcares but the dealer wants it to give a code before they are willing to do anything.

I also checked MAP and MAF sensors right after picking up the truck. The MAP sensor was very dirty. I cleaned it but that obviously doesn't seem to have done anything.

 

[mbarber84]

Does anyone know how frequently regen has to occur to get a P2549 code? since picking up my truck from the dealer on friday, the following has happened:

• Picked up at 68490 miles
• DPF guage was over ¼ full by 68534 miles
• Regen started at 68581 miles (delta 91 miles since picking it up)
• Regen ended around 68620 miles and DPF guage instantly showed 1 notch up from empty
• 68690 miles – another regen started (delta 70 miles from end of last regen

Seems like this would be frequently enough to cause a "frequent regen" code but nothing pops up on the dash. Is this a "behind the scenes" code? I have a case open with ramcares but the dealer wants it to give a code before they are willing to do anything.

I also checked MAP and MAF sensors right after picking up the truck. The MAP sensor was very dirty. I cleaned it but that obviously doesn't seem to have done anything.

The average time between three regeneration cycles has to get below a preprogrammed threshold value ( not sure how many minutes it is and can’t find that info posted anywhere). It has to get very very brief in order to trigger the code. If yours continues on its current trend, it will likely trigger the code.