Automatic Regen too often

[mbarber84]

Until we can get someone to data log these trucks and look deeper into the tune data and try to make some adjustments instead of just changing parts, we are stuck with them. Air density, temperature, humidity, altitude, etc, none of these factors should matter one bit with a sensor and computer system that is supposed to adjust what it needs to to compensate for the variations.
If anything is out of range for the computer system to compensate for it then it should pop a code instead of continuing to dump fuel in, creating soot, and stopping up the DPF to the point of another regen.

The problem is, we can’t seethe tune information. Ram has that locked down. The monitors like the iDash can see the % countdown to regeneration but not the data that drives the calculation. Or even how it’s calculated itself. I’m seeing regular instances where the post-DPF EGT reading is 700°F but the % Reg value isn’t dropping. As stated earlier, that % Reg value climbs rapidly in some instances. So much so that it doesn’t even seem like plausible input, save a situation where the engine was operating egregiously “dirty”

 

[OLEJOE]

The problem is, we can’t seethe tune information. Ram has that locked down. The monitors like the iDash can see the % countdown to regeneration but not the data that drives the calculation. Or even how it’s calculated itself. I’m seeing regular instances where the post-DPF EGT reading is 700°F but the % Reg value isn’t dropping. As stated earlier, that % Reg value climbs rapidly in some instances. So much so that it doesn’t even seem like plausible input, save a situation where the engine was operating egregiously “dirty”

Someone at Ram needs to step up and undertake this. Surely they have atleast one engineer that could go through and determine what the problem is and come up with a solution.

 

[JimKIII]

Someone at Ram needs to step up and undertake this. Surely they have atleast one engineer that could go through and determine what the problem is and come up with a solution.

Pfffsst@#%$#arghh....ouch, man!! Sorry, I just blew hot coffee through my nose while reading this. Had to wipe the screen off...sorry.

 

[Units]

Pfffsst@#%$#arghh....ouch, man!! Sorry, I just blew hot coffee through my nose while reading this. Had to wipe the screen off...sorry.

Common sense is not often a commodity everyone has access to.

 

[OLEJOE]

Pfffsst@#%$#arghh....ouch, man!! Sorry, I just blew hot coffee through my nose while reading this. Had to wipe the screen off...sorry.

I know it’s ludicrous to even think they give a rats a$$. They are just pushing people towards the diet plan. I can afford that easier than a new truck that would probably have the same problem.

 

[JimKIII]

I know it’s ludicrous to even think they give a rats a$$. They are just pushing people towards the diet plan. I can afford that easier than a new truck that would probably have the same problem.

I hear you. Cheers.

 

[joshuaeb09]

The problem is, we can’t seethe tune information. Ram has that locked down. The monitors like the iDash can see the % countdown to regeneration but not the data that drives the calculation. Or even how it’s calculated itself. I’m seeing regular instances where the post-DPF EGT reading is 700°F but the % Reg value isn’t dropping. As stated earlier, that % Reg value climbs rapidly in some instances. So much so that it doesn’t even seem like plausible input, save a situation where the engine was operating egregiously “dirty”

I wonder if the guys at calibrated would share some data with us on their testing for emissions on tuning. Obviously we can't ask them to give away anything special that sets them apart, but I'm sure they have some general insights if they did the due diligence they advertise.

 

[Units]

So just to add to this thread, 3 days ago I added the archoil fuel system cleaner to half a tank and then topped it off with more fuel. My DPF gauge was at about 37%, it usually hits 45% and an active regen in about 2 days of my commuting after that. So you can understand my daily drive - 27 miles one way, 22 miles on the interstate @80mph, occasional stop and go driving, total 54 miles daily commute, no towing. My DPF gauge has steadily decreased and as of this morning it was down to zero and 355 miles since my last active regen. Non towing and achieving passive regeneration on my daily commute does not happen very often, I usually have to use aggressive throttle after my jog on the interstate to drop the DPF gauge any. In short, passive regeneration has been very easy to achieve. I don’t have any way to monitor egt’s or any other parameters other than what I can see on the dash. I have yet to use the daily treatment and will use it on my next tank of gas. But as of right now, the archoil is working as they claim it does. Not saying this is the magic bullet, this is just for informational purposes and how my truck has responded to the additive. I bought the cleaner and additive off of the Zon.
YMMV.

 

[oledirteh]

So just to add to this thread, 3 days ago I added the archoil fuel system cleaner to half a tank and then topped it off with more fuel. My DPF gauge was at about 37%, it usually hits 45% and an active regen in about 2 days of my commuting after that. So you can understand my daily drive - 27 miles one way, 22 miles on the interstate @80mph, occasional stop and go driving, total 54 miles daily commute, no towing. My DPF gauge has steadily decreased and as of this morning it was down to zero and 355 miles since my last active regen. Non towing and achieving passive regeneration on my daily commute does not happen very often, I usually have to use aggressive throttle after my jog on the interstate to drop the DPF gauge any. In short, passive regeneration has been very easy to achieve. I don’t have any way to monitor egt’s or any other parameters other than what I can see on the dash. I have yet to use the daily treatment and will use it on my next tank of gas. But as of right now, the archoil is working as they claim it does. Not saying this is the magic bullet, this is just for informational purposes and how my truck has responded to the additive. I bought the cleaner and additive off of the Zon.
YMMV.

I ordered 2 bottles. I will see how it works as i burn through 2 tanks of fuel in 7ish days. i drive 120 miles 5 days a week. since summer hit i hit regen at about 500-600 miles now where in winter i would regen at about 1100 miles / 24hrs

if i go beyond 600 miles right now, ill chalk it up to a win on their part

 

[Units]

I ordered 2 bottles. I will see how it works as i burn through 2 tanks of fuel in 7ish days. i drive 120 miles 5 days a week. since summer hit i hit regen at about 500-600 miles now where in winter i would regen at about 1100 miles / 24hrs

if i go beyond 600 miles right now, ill chalk it up to a win on their part

Yup, I don’t put on the mileage you do but I’ll take what I can get.

 

[oledirteh]

Yup, I don’t put on the mileage you do but I’ll take what I can get.

ive been using the hot shots edt or whatever and i haven't seen a difference really. i run it every other tank. more of a eh cant hurt deal. ill report back in a 2 weeks with my impressions if there are any.

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

Update on my truck. I got 2 different stories - first 1 from ram cares while 2nd was from dealer, and was informed the first one was incorrect. First one after the MAF replacement was it triggered a CEL and regened about 30 miles in. I was then updated it didn't trigger a CEL but regened at 80 miles. However in that update from the dealer they said they ultimately did a forced regen today then took for another drive and it didn't make it 60 miles before going into regen again. So back to the drawing board. They are waiting to hear back from ram corporate via my star case on the next steps.

I asked them today if they had ever sent off an oil analysis and was advised no despite it being high and at least to my nose smelling quite a bit like diesel. I advised the service rep to ask Ram to allow an OA so that it can be determined if there's other issues they just aren't seeing. He put it thru the star case while on the phone with me. I know I've posted these photos before, but this was the "oil level" the day before dropping off

 

[joshuaeb09]

Update on my truck. I got 2 different stories - first 1 from ram cares while 2nd was from dealer, and was informed the first one was incorrect. First one after the MAF replacement was it triggered a CEL and regened about 30 miles in. I was then updated it didn't trigger a CEL but regened at 80 miles. However in that update from the dealer they said they ultimately did a forced regen today then took for another drive and it didn't make it 60 miles before going into regen again. So back to the drawing board. They are waiting to hear back from ram corporate via my star case on the next steps.

I asked them today if they had ever sent off an oil analysis and was advised no despite it being high and at least to my nose smelling quite a bit like diesel. I advised the service rep to ask Ram to allow an OA so that it can be determined if there's other issues they just aren't seeing. He put it thru the star case while on the phone with me. I know I've posted these photos before, but this was the "oil level" the day before dropping off

I wonder if the loads of leveled rams running around is skewing their view of the dipstick. Is mine that high with 3 gallons in it ... NO, but you look at a 2500 with JUST like 2.75" Thuren springs or some of those 3" "Leveling" setups without nothing out back and it'll read high being nose high like that.

I'm not defending your dealer by any means - having a stupid 2.0 EcoBoost for my wife that I have to run 5W40 in to keep the fuel dilution down - I'm well aware. I often sometimes wonder if they just rushed the switch to 5W40/10W30 in-order to support the hydraulic lifters after cummins engines have run 15w40 FOREVER.

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

I wonder if the loads of leveled rams running around is skewing their view of the dipstick. Is mine that high with 3 gallons in it ... NO, but you look at a 2500 with JUST like 2.75" Thuren springs or some of those 3" "Leveling" setups without nothing out back and it'll read high being nose high like that.

I'm not defending your dealer by any means - having a stupid 2.0 EcoBoost for my wife that I have to run 5W40 in to keep the fuel dilution down - I'm well aware. I often sometimes wonder if they just rushed the switch to 5W40/10W30 in-order to support the hydraulic lifters after cummins engines have run 15w40 FOREVER.

Just an FYI - my truck is 100% stock. No leveling kit...literally nothing.

I do agree it could skew the dealers view though. With that said, at 3 gallons it shouldn't be above the highest hatch mark. I change my oil personally, per the specs required by FCA (warm oil, level surface, pull oil pan plug, pull filler cap, let drain for min of 30 minutes, then pull filter, continue to let drip until I'm done replacing fuel filters - usually takes an hour before I put the drain plug back in, new oil filter, and refill with 3 x 1 gallon jugs)

 

[56ram2500]

Update on my truck. I got 2 different stories - first 1 from ram cares while 2nd was from dealer, and was informed the first one was incorrect. First one after the MAF replacement was it triggered a CEL and regened about 30 miles in. I was then updated it didn't trigger a CEL but regened at 80 miles. However in that update from the dealer they said they ultimately did a forced regen today then took for another drive and it didn't make it 60 miles before going into regen again. So back to the drawing board. They are waiting to hear back from ram corporate via my star case on the next steps.

I asked them today if they had ever sent off an oil analysis and was advised no despite it being high and at least to my nose smelling quite a bit like diesel. I advised the service rep to ask Ram to allow an OA so that it can be determined if there's other issues they just aren't seeing. He put it thru the star case while on the phone with me. I know I've posted these photos before, but this was the "oil level" the day before dropping off

I have to ask why you have not pulled your own oil sample an sent it in to be tested, they are not all that costly at around $26 + shipping for a Fleetguard/Cummins sample kit, I would love for some dealer to claim that a Cummins approved lab does not know how to test oil....

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

I have to ask why you have not pulled your own oil sample an sent it in to be tested, they are not all that costly at around $26 + shipping for a Fleetguard/Cummins sample kit, I would love for some dealer to claim that a Cummins approved lab does not know how to test oil....

I have a fleetguard one ready to go, but didn't order it until it went to the shop back at the beginning of May. I suppose I could show up at the dealer and get one

 

[joshuaeb09]

Just an FYI - my truck is 100% stock. No leveling kit...literally nothing.

I do agree it could skew the dealers view though. With that said, at 3 gallons it shouldn't be above the highest hatch mark. I change my oil personally, per the specs required by FCA (warm oil, level surface, pull oil pan plug, pull filler cap, let drain for min of 30 minutes, then pull filter, continue to let drip until I'm done replacing fuel filters - usually takes an hour before I put the drain plug back in, new oil filter, and refill with 3 x 1 gallon jugs)

A bone stock truck that high...... I only pretend to be a diesel mechanic when money doesn't buy results, but yea...

 

[22PearlRamMegaHD]

A bone stock truck that high...... I only pretend to be a diesel mechanic when money doesn't buy results, but yea...

Bone stock.

Even has the crap transforce at tires on it still

 

[mbarber84]

So just a quick update:

I added the archoil fuel system cleaner to a this current tank of fuel a week or two ago. The truck went into regeneration shortly after. I’m now 276 miles since last regeneration and the DPF gauge on the instrument cluster is still showing 0%. That’s the furthest I’ve gone without any level going up on that dash. On the iDash, I’m seeing consistently higher EGT’s across sensors 1, 2, and 3. Not dangerously high, but high enough to have a positive impact on passive regeneration. DPF % REG is remaining lower, and not climbing as fast as it did while using the hotshots extreme additive. I’ve noted that, with the archoil in the fuel, EGT 3 is sustaining periods of 660°F for longer bursts, and climbing into the 700°F range as well. I didn’t see this with the hotshots. I don’t want to draw too many conclusions as yet, but it definitely does look like the archoil is performing as advertised. I’ll report back as i continue to monitor. I’ve been data logging as well.

 

[OLEJOE]

So just a quick update:

I added the archoil fuel system cleaner to a this current tank of fuel a week or two ago. The truck went into regeneration shortly after. I’m now 276 miles since last regeneration and the DPF gauge on the instrument cluster is still showing 0%. That’s the furthest I’ve gone without any level going up on that dash. On the iDash, I’m seeing consistently higher EGT’s across sensors 1, 2, and 3. Not dangerously high, but high enough to have a positive impact on passive regeneration. DPF % REG is remaining lower, and not climbing as fast as it did while using the hotshots extreme additive. I’ve noted that, with the archoil in the fuel, EGT 3 is sustaining periods of 660°F for longer bursts, and climbing into the 700°F range as well. I didn’t see this with the hotshots. I don’t want to draw too many conclusions as yet, but it definitely does look like the archoil is performing as advertised. I’ll report back as i continue to monitor. I’ve been data logging as well.

Keep us updated. I also put the Archoil in my truck and it regened about 40 miles afterwards. Only 178 miles on it since the regen so still an experiment in progress.