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Too much oil and poor dealer help

flan said:
Ok just wanted to make sure you weren’t pulling your hair out for no reason. Your second sentence left room for interpretation.
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Second sentence means over filling could not happen. It's been checked by the dealer and me multiple times. Everytime it is check it goes up.
 
Dinky503 said:
Second sentence means over filling could not happen. It's been checked by the dealer and me multiple times. Everytime it is check it goes up.
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Should be interesting to see what comes of it.
 
Ive been following this thread since inception but forgive me if this has been mentioned... Is there any information on why this is happening to 2022s only? I know the missing sensor on most trucks, my 22 was missing it and all the recalls. Could one of the multitude of "updates" and recalls caused all this?
 
Enve46 said:
Ive been following this thread since inception but forgive me if this has been mentioned... Is there any information on why this is happening to 2022s only? I know the missing sensor on most trucks, my 22 was missing it and all the recalls. Could one of the multitude of "updates" and recalls caused all this?
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My truck is either the emissions causing the issue or an injector leak. If it is emissions no one really knows how to fix it or what's causing it.

This thread is probably better for regen info than mine.
hdrams.com

Regens at alarming rate!

@RamCares I hope all is well with the team. I own a 2022 3500 6.7 CC SB picked it up last Dec 4. Amazing ride, comfortable, quiet, and decent fuel milage, believe it or not 24 mpg for a trip from Va to Fl and back to Va.....other shoe drops. Three weeks ago, my DPF climbed rapidly 0% to...
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Update!

Since the last dealer pick up, I filled my fuel tank full right away. I have gone 247.6 miles and just topped off with 24.64 gallons this morning. That comes out to 10.14 mpg and my truck is reading 13.3mpg. I've never really had it that far off, so may there is a fuel leak somewhere.
 
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I towed my 14k work trailer today to a jobsite. I had to put it in 4wd to get up a decent gravel grade road with switch backs. put the truck to work like it should do, but far from abuse.

Here is the difference..


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Dinky503 said:
I towed my 14k work trailer today to a jobsite. I had to put it in 4wd to get up a decent gravel grade road with switch backs. put the truck to work like it should do, but far from abuse.

Here is the difference..


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How long did it sit after running when you checked it?
 
Dinky503 said:
Couple hours
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That’s still not long enough for it to cool off completely. The volume of oil is large enough that oil expansion is measure on the dipstick, even after a couple hours.

Really need to check these engines after being shut off overnight in the same spot.

Other checks are just making sure you’re not out, they aren’t scientific.
 
AH64ID said:
That’s still not long enough for it to cool off completely. The volume of oil is large enough that oil expansion is measure on the dipstick, even after a couple hours.
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I ran the truck decent sat for a few hours while I worked, drove it back down the hill 20 miles on the freeway. Parked it at my shop on level ground for 2 hours and it Only hit 54degs today. I'll be checking it again in the morning when it sits all night.
 
Dinky503 said:
I ran the truck decent sat for a few hours while I worked, drove it back down the hill 20 miles on the freeway. Parked it at my shop on level ground for 2 hours and it Only hit 54degs today. I'll be checking it again in the morning when it sits all night.
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The oil gets over 200° regardless of ambient temp.
 
Dinky503 said:
Yes yes it does. You can also check oil temp without starting the truck as well.
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The oil temp reading on the EVIC is fake. There isn’t an oil temp sensor anywhere on the engine.
 
AH64ID said:
The oil temp reading on the EVIC is fake. There isn’t an oil temp sensor anywhere on the engine.
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Yes that is correct but it's making an educated guess based off all the other temp sensors. There is nothing wrong with check the oil of a truck after 2 hours...... oil will be cooled down enough. it would be almost the same checking the oil of your truck on a 105deg day. The proper way to check your oil is actually getting it up to operating temperature let set for 30mins. As we know oil will expand and this will ensure you do not have excess oil at operating temp.
 
Dinky503 said:
Yes that is correct but it's making an educated guess based off all the other temp sensors. There is nothing wrong with check the oil of a truck after 2 hours...... oil will be cooled down enough. it would be almost the same checking the oil of your truck on a 105deg day. The proper way to check your oil is actually getting it up to operating temperature let set for 30mins. As we know oil will expand and this will ensure you do not have excess oil at operating temp.
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I ran a real oil temp sensor on my 05. The OEM algorithm is pretty good on warm oil, but it’s pretty bad for temps between resting and operating temps. I honestly don’t even look at it because it’s fake, just like oil pressure.

The time is at least 30 minutes, then best way to check it is overnight and cooled off. Most of us won’t ever have blocks/oil at 105° even if the ambient temp is up there. It just takes too long for that much mass to change temp.

If your oil is in the safe range after sitting overnight then you won’t have too much oil. You don’t have to simulate operating temps for oil readings to be safe.

With what you have going on the only way to accurately document rising oil levels is to check it after the truck has been shut down overnight in the same parking spot. Pull the dipstick once and note the level. There are too many other variables to compare levels accurately.

I’ve seen people thing their oil is overfilled by 2 quarts based 100% on technique with this engine. Warm checks show you still have oil, cold checks show your accurate oil volume.
 
AH64ID said:
I ran a real oil temp sensor on my 05. The OEM algorithm is pretty good on warm oil, but it’s pretty bad for temps between resting and operating temps. I honestly don’t even look at it because it’s fake, just like oil pressure.

The time is at least 30 minutes, then best way to check it is overnight and cooled off. Most of us won’t ever have blocks/oil at 105° even if the ambient temp is up there. It just takes too long for that much mass to change temp.

If your oil is in the safe range after sitting overnight then you won’t have too much oil. You don’t have to simulate operating temps for oil readings to be safe.

With what you have going on the only way to accurately document rising oil levels is to check it after the truck has been shut down overnight in the same parking spot. Pull the dipstick once and note the level. There are too many other variables to compare levels accurately.
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Your 05 is a lot different than the 5th gens. Your oil is in the pan which will heat faster on 105 deg day. Engine block might never reach that but I bet your oil pan will.

I have been recording oil level each morning as well and that's the data the dealer is getting.
 
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Dinky503 said:
Your 05 is a lot different than the 5th gens. Your oil is in the pan which will heat faster on 105 deg day. Engine block might never reach that but I bet your oil pan will.

I have been recording oil level each morning as well and that's the data the dealer is getting.
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It might be a lot different than a 5th gen, but we don’t know yet as there isn’t a 5th gen out.

It’s got far more in common with the current CGI blocks than you think. Oil in the pan is the same in both. The operating oil temps will be very similar since the oil system, to include the pump and cooling, is nearly identical. They are both ISB’s after all. ;) Just simple tractor engines, it’s the emissions that complicates them.

Point is that your checking method isn’t the ideal one, and if you want to document an issue it needs to be an ideal check. Having watched accurate oil temps, not the fake OEM gauge that isn’t accurate below operating temp, I’m letting you know you need to do your documented checks overnight.
 
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