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Larger tires on OEM night edition wheels.
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Squatch
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https://hdrams.com/forum/index.php?threads/post-pics-of-your-2019-2500-or-3500.412/page-30
Check out this link, stillzaddy has 37s with stock truck, not even leveled. Very miner trimming.
You might want to check out what Thuren has to say here: https://www.thurenfabrication.com/tech/tire-and-wheel-fitment.html. To sum it up:
- You can fit 35x12.5 tires on stock wheels with slight rub on the radius arms.
- You can fit 37x12.5 on a bone stock truck, on the stock wheels, but the turning radius is reduced quite a bit with radius arm and swaybar rub.
- You can fit 37x13.5 on +18mm wheels, on a bone stock truck, but usually full turning with zero radius arm or sway bar rub. If anything it will be VERY slight.
Squatch
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If you look at where that guy had to trim, I think a spacer might make that even worse. You may have rubbing issues on the radius arm depending on the tire width you have, but also note that you’re probably going to have real trouble when you start articulating a setup like that. If it were me, I would at least level it before stuffing 37s in there, and unless you’re running a cummins, expect a noticeable difference in performance, so gearing may be in your future regardless, if you want to do it right and take stress off of your drivetrain.
I definitely want to start with a 6 inch “quality” lift and 37s. Would be great if I could keep the OEM black wheels though. How does articulation play a part in a situation like that? Spacers needed you think? I don’t mind rubbing vs cutting up the fenders.
Squatch
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You’re set with a quality 6 inch lift. I wouldn’t worry at all about articulation based rubbing issues with that much lift. If you are completely set on those stock wheels, get the tires mounted and check your clearances, if you need a spacer to make it work you can always get them afterward. The more you push the tires out away from the frame with a spacer the less trouble you will have with rub on the arms and the more trouble you will have with rubbing on the body. You can make anything work with enough money
Money? Crap. That’s right. Let me get these kids to grandmas so I can get to work. They are almost done with virtual schooling. Thanks SquatchYou’re set with a quality 6 inch lift. I wouldn’t worry at all about articulation based rubbing issues with that much lift. If you are completely set on those stock wheels, get the tires mounted and check your clearances, if you need a spacer to make it work you can always get them afterward. The more you push the tires out away from the frame with a spacer the less trouble you will have with rub on the arms and the more trouble you will have with rubbing on the body. You can make anything work with enough money
I was saying put spacers on the stock wheels to get into the +18mm to +25mm range. stillzaddy was running +25mm, so should be identical. And from Thuren's page again, he claims there is no difference in tire clearance (with a quality lift) unless you are going over a 3" lift, so leveling (according to him) won't help clearance. Again, I don't know this for a fact, as I don't have them on my truck, but people around here seem to hold Thuren in high regard.
Lift height, under 4" of lift, does nothing for tire clearance.
On these Dodge trucks, regarding the most common 0-3" of lift range, lift height does not make you clear tires better. The truck will clear the same tires and wheels stock height, as it does with 3" of lift. We say this because stock height AND properly lifted to 3", the suspension still bottoms out at the same spot. This is what matters. We are building high end suspension, made to be active, and run hard if you want! We are not going to mandate you slowly creep into driveways, so your tires don't rub. We build and design for zero tire rub, even bottomed out, at high speeds, driving hard!
Over 3" of lift, you now need to drop your bumpstops 2" or more, to limit travel for all the drop brackets/etc, and this can let you now clear the next step up in larger tires as the suspension is not compressing as far.
Honestly, I won't be putting 37s on my truck until I get some more confirmation that there is no rubbing when riding off road. If I do end up going with 37s I will also be re-gearing, it is asking too much otherwise.
Haha. With 6" you should be fine clearance wise. I think the AEVs run 40s with only 3" of lift - but they make the wheel well much larger and requires a bunch of cutting.
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Thought I’d share my journey to 37s on stock wheels. First pic is with Nitto Recon Grapplers 35 x 11.50. I was very happy with these tires but just felt they looked a bit small on the truck. I love the stock wheels and wanted to maintain if possible. I already had Thuren 2 in level in front, stock in rear, coils and shocks all around. I also had the Thuren high clearance sway bar and rear track bar.
After a bit of research and digging through the forums I felt I had a good plan. Threw on the Thuren Alien Radius Arms and went to go have 37 x 12.50s put on. Was going with the Recons again as I was pleased with their performance. However.. I was told that due to the width of the stock wheel it would be “unwise” to put on a 12.5 tire. In fact Discount Tire said they wouldn’t do it and were not allowed.
So…. Ended up going with a Ridge Grappler in 37 x 11.50 x 20. They don’t make the Recons in that size.
It’s day one but I am thrilled with the look, feel, and drive of the truck. Was worried about them looking skinny but I personally don’t think they do and I love the stock “militaristic” look of the truck. Time will tell but I know the Ridge Grapplers have a great reputation and I am sure will serve me well.
ZERO rubbing at full lock
ZERO trimming or cutting was required
In summary Thuren **** rocks and I am very happy with the outcome.
As I understand will at minimum need the high clearance sway bar and alien radius arms to make this work. However the lift may be needed also.. I run my tires at 40-42 PSI and the thing rides better than a half ton in my opinion.
Hope this helps someone looking to do the same.
I’m gonna wipe now and go make sure my kids haven’t destroyed the living room..
Cheers!
After a bit of research and digging through the forums I felt I had a good plan. Threw on the Thuren Alien Radius Arms and went to go have 37 x 12.50s put on. Was going with the Recons again as I was pleased with their performance. However.. I was told that due to the width of the stock wheel it would be “unwise” to put on a 12.5 tire. In fact Discount Tire said they wouldn’t do it and were not allowed.
So…. Ended up going with a Ridge Grappler in 37 x 11.50 x 20. They don’t make the Recons in that size.
It’s day one but I am thrilled with the look, feel, and drive of the truck. Was worried about them looking skinny but I personally don’t think they do and I love the stock “militaristic” look of the truck. Time will tell but I know the Ridge Grapplers have a great reputation and I am sure will serve me well.
ZERO rubbing at full lock
ZERO trimming or cutting was required
In summary Thuren **** rocks and I am very happy with the outcome.
As I understand will at minimum need the high clearance sway bar and alien radius arms to make this work. However the lift may be needed also.. I run my tires at 40-42 PSI and the thing rides better than a half ton in my opinion.
Hope this helps someone looking to do the same.
I’m gonna wipe now and go make sure my kids haven’t destroyed the living room..
Cheers!
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And since you've revived it.
I have 295/65/20 on my stock night edition wheels. They come out to 35 x 11.5. No rubbing anywhere. They fit without the level, but I think they look better with it. FWIW, they are extremely close to the radius arm at full turn, but they don't touch. If they were 12.5 wide there's no doubt they would without a spacer.
I have 295/65/20 on my stock night edition wheels. They come out to 35 x 11.5. No rubbing anywhere. They fit without the level, but I think they look better with it. FWIW, they are extremely close to the radius arm at full turn, but they don't touch. If they were 12.5 wide there's no doubt they would without a spacer.
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tkbenziger
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Ha! Work smarter not harder right..
Thanks man I am happy with how it has come together.
Truck looks great. The tires “fit”.
I second the thread update/response. Kudos. It keeps the older info alive as well.
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Wow, that looks really good! how does it do off-road? I have the same wheels, but with 275/65r20 BFG KO2's, and it rides very stiff in the rocky stuff...
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Thanks man!
I honestly don’t know only had the tires for a couple days and I don’t get opportunity to do much off roading. I drove a good portion of Imogene Pass (trail between Telluride and Ouray Colorado) last year and it did great with the 35s. The turn radius on these things suck so I don’t take it out too much off road.
With the softer coils and lower PSI the truck rides great. A lot of the roads out here in the TX hill country are quite rough.. I swear they just dump asphalt on the ground and call it a road.
With this set up the suspension just absorbs it. It is night and day compared to the stock suspension and 70 psi. It rides as good or better than any 1/2 ton I’ve ever been in. Stock was like a horse and buggy on these roads..
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There's certainly something to that. I don't really feel a substantial difference between the stock suspension and the Bilsteins but I definitely noticed a difference adjusting tire pressure. I used Jscan to lower the TMPS threshold, so now I can run around 50 psi instead of 70-80. Obviously I need to air back up when loading the truck heavy, but for most loads I'm not pushing the limits of the truck/tires so there's no need for them to feel like solid rubber every day. I'm guessing that's a big part of why 1500s feel softer, since they don't run the tires at the higher pressure.
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What’s Jscan and how can I do this? The low tire pressure warning is annoying… Also need to have my speedometer adjusted with the bigger tires if any tips on this!?
G Mcpherson
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Check out the Alpha OBD Thread. You'll find what is needed to take care of that.