Towing 10,000 -12,000

[gimmie11s]

I think the only exception to your statement are fleets. I can list the city I live in and other surrounding towns as examples. Gas HD trucks have gotten a little better, and diesel HD trucks have gotten more expensive to buy and maintain, and less reliable. Our city operates about 20 "HD" vehicles ranging from 2500 to 5500 trucks. In this case they are all Fords. 15 years ago they were 100% diesel, with the slight increase in original cost made up for by longer engine life and better fuel economy. 10 years ago they began to replace some of the trucks with gas engines. Fast forward to today, and only the F-550 trucks are diesel. I'm told even those they might purchase one or two with the gas 7.3L and see how it works out. The town beats their vehicles into the ground so there really is no increased value in auctioning off a worn out diesel vs gas truck, plus where I live in the salt belt they are all rusty anyway.

I think there are a handful of personal owners who are buying gas after owning diesel for financial reasons, but you are right...most other people who switch are much happier with the power, smoothness, and quiet effortlessness of a modern diesel.

I'd agree, but City fleet trucks aren't usually "tow" vehicles, but more payload type of trucks needing to complete daily HD type of tasks.

My statement is directed at the personal user (end consumer) needing an HD truck to tow. Next to no one goes from diesel to gas because of "cost" or "maintenance" any other metric TBH.

 

[troverman]

Fair enough. New diesel trucks are getting expensive though. $100k for a fully loaded diesel is crazy. I'm betting some people are buying lower trim levels if they want to keep the diesel. It used to be you could get about $10k off the price of a loaded diesel...not anymore. The most I've paid is about $74k for a loaded 2017 Ford dually, Lariat Ultimate trim. Nice truck, but for what I need them for (business use with a little personal) I'll never buy the fancy trucks again.

 

[tchur1]

Fair enough. New diesel trucks are getting expensive though. $100k for a fully loaded diesel is crazy. I'm betting some people are buying lower trim levels if they want to keep the diesel. It used to be you could get about $10k off the price of a loaded diesel...not anymore. The most I've paid is about $74k for a loaded 2017 Ford dually, Lariat Ultimate trim. Nice truck, but for what I need them for (business use with a little personal) I'll never buy the fancy trucks again.

I dont think this is true if you do your homework and are willing to negotiate. I just picked up my 2022 3500 Limited with the HO and paid $75k for it. Sticker when I ordered was $84k and upon delivery was $87k. You can absolutely still get higher trim diesels for well under $100k. For how much longer, idk but right now its more than doable.

 

[RVTRKN]

I'll respond to the question of which differential ratio the OP should get, but where is the OP? Hemi should be optioned with the 4:10's while the Diesel could be either. The Hemi will not have the proper torque while pulling at the MAX GCWR with 3:73, once running at cruise speed on level surface is OK, but any grade you'll be downshifting to a lower gear to maintain the RPM needed for such a pull. With the 4:10's, it'll get the load moving easier and better pulling up grades. Even though my 94 2500 5.9 gasser HP and TQ was a lot lower than the modern trans and Hemi, it still felt every grade and caused it to scream up the grades pulling the same boat that my 2004.5 5.9 CTD did after I bought the CTD with a manual. The only way I'd buy a Hemi 2500/3500, would only be for using it at the GVWR only, with an occasional pulling a trailer. My 2019 3500 SRW HO with 3:73 was not optional for 4:10's otherwise I'd have 4:10's, but either ones has a minimal difference behind the CTD HO.

 

[gimmie11s]

Fair enough. New diesel trucks are getting expensive though. $100k for a fully loaded diesel is crazy. I'm betting some people are buying lower trim levels if they want to keep the diesel. It used to be you could get about $10k off the price of a loaded diesel...not anymore. The most I've paid is about $74k for a loaded 2017 Ford dually, Lariat Ultimate trim. Nice truck, but for what I need them for (business use with a little personal) I'll never buy the fancy trucks again.

True for on-the-lot trucks. If you want a discount, you have to order now days.

I dont think this is true if you do your homework and are willing to negotiate. I just picked up my 2022 3500 Limited with the HO and paid $75k for it. Sticker when I ordered was $84k and upon delivery was $87k. You can absolutely still get higher trim diesels for well under $100k. For how much longer, idk but right now its more than doable.

Similar to me... sticker was $82k, paid $69k before fees. Deals are out there on trucks you place special orders for.

 

[raven_dt]

Yes 4.10 for towing will help you. Gas mileage and Hemi will never go in the same sentence though even empty. Towing MPG is absolutely horrible. You'd be better suited likely with the diesel

I would second that because of the limited range from the CCSB 31 gal fuel tank.

 

[Blythkd1]

If I were just toting a 12k 5er here and there and mostly driving the truck as a grocery getter, no way I'd have a diesel. Pay at least $10k more for it, get similar empty mileage, paying a premium for diesel, have to fill up with DEF, deal with the emissions issues, higher priced maintenance? No thanks. All of today's gas engine HD trucks are plenty capable of towing a 12k 5th wheel. Will they maintain 65mph up a mountain without kicking down? No. But again, if the primary use is as a grocery getter, there's no worse application for a HD diesel truck. The best balance here would be the gas truck, imo. But I could be wrong...

My problem is I'm old enough that I've towed heavier than that with a carbureted 350-4spd truck. Anything new today blows the 70's trucks away so bad, there's just no comparison whatsoever.

 

[JimKIII]

If I were just toting a 12k 5er here and there and mostly driving the truck as a grocery getter, no way I'd have a diesel. Pay at least $10k more for it, get similar empty mileage, paying a premium for diesel, have to fill up with DEF, deal with the emissions issues, higher priced maintenance? No thanks. All of today's gas engine HD trucks are plenty capable of towing a 12k 5th wheel. Will they maintain 65mph up a mountain without kicking down? No. But again, if the primary use is as a grocery getter, there's no worse application for a HD diesel truck. The best balance here would be the gas truck, imo. But I could be wrong...

My problem is I'm old enough that I've towed heavier than that with a carbureted 350-4spd truck. Anything new today blows the 70's trucks away so bad, there's just no comparison whatsoever.

Wish I had a good running carbed 4-spd truck!

 

[G’Dave]

I just took delivery of my 2022 2500 CCLB Hemi with 4.10 and 50g tank. (Two weeks tomorrow).

I haven’t towed with it yet, and only have 1236 miles on the clock, but am very happy with it so far.
I was nervous about the length and living in a busy metro area, but I can run it through the local Chick-fil-A drive through, so it passes muster

Mileage is actually slightly better than I expected with the 4.10 axles and long bed. 11-12 around town with tons of very short trips, many cold starts, and lots of traffic lights. 16+ on the highway. This driving situation would be devastating for the CTD.

And my towing capacity is approaching 17k!! It’s a “base model” Laramie with very few options/additions.
I would not hesitate to order the same truck again, with the 4.10 (and a Hemi)..

Hopefully this helps some with their decisions.

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[Darkside]

I’m actually starting to see more Hemi 2500 and 3500 trucks in my area than CTD trucks, even on dealer lots, in all trim levels. I’m thinking the diesels are starting to become less desirable in my area…

 

[JABAR357]

I tow approximately 13k 5th wheel with my 3500 single axle 3.73 and it does just fine.

 

[hunterjoe]

I’m actually starting to see more Hemi 2500 and 3500 trucks in my area than CTD trucks, even on dealer lots, in all trim levels. I’m thinking the diesels are starting to become less desirable in my area…

Same here. I don’t actually see many of the 4.5s with the CTD. The older models I do, but not the new ones.

 

[slowindown]

I ordered a single rear wheel cc lwb 4x4 bighorn hemi with 50 gal thank and 4.10 gears. I wanted to be able to haul our golf cart or sxs in the bed and pull our 8800lb camper at the same time without worrying about payload. The golf cart is around 1500lbs and the commander is a few hundred more. I ordered the hemi because of the price difference and I’m still a couple of years from retirement so it will be used some for work commuting, along with my old ram 1500.

I’m a little worried that it’s going to ride pretty rough unloaded. But my other truck is an 07 1500 when they still had leaf springs, which I bought new. It doesn’t exactly ride like a Cadillac.

 

[gimmie11s]

I just took delivery of my 2022 2500 CCLB Hemi with 4.10 and 50g tank. (Two weeks tomorrow).

I haven’t towed with it yet, and only have 1236 miles on the clock, but am very happy with it so far.
I was nervous about the length and living in a busy metro area, but I can run it through the local Chick-fil-A drive through, so it passes muster

Mileage is actually slightly better than I expected with the 4.10 axles and long bed. 11-12 around town with tons of very short trips, many cold starts, and lots of traffic lights. 16+ on the highway. This driving situation would be devastating for the CTD.

And my towing capacity is approaching 17k!! It’s a “base model” Laramie with very few options/additions.
I would not hesitate to order the same truck again, with the 4.10 (and a Hemi)..

Hopefully this helps some with their decisions.

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17k lbs! Wow. I'd love for you to hook that load to the truck and give us your thoughts.

 

[G’Dave]

17k lbs! Wow. I'd love for you to hook that load to the truck and give us your thoughts.

It would probably get about 3 mpg and get outpaced by a turtle. I doubt that I’ll ever haul more than 6-7k.
I bought it because I wanted a crew cab 4WD with an 8’ bed, and I couldn’t find this configuration in a 1/2 ton….
(Ford makes the F150 in a 2WD extended cab with 8 foot bed. I seem to recall similar ones from GM and Toyota. But no true CCs with 8’ bed and 4WD in the 1/2 ton category).


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[slowindown]

17k lbs! Wow. I'd love for you to hook that load to the truck and give us your thoughts.

Single rear wheel lwb 3500 6.4 with 4.10 gears towing 22k:

 

[Jsboening]

Went 6.4 with 4.10’s on my yet to be delivered limited megacab 2500. I’ve been very happy with my 1500 3.92 so far for towing and am just looking for more stability with the 2500. The 8 speed is a great transmission.

 

[BaseBD]

I have a 2022 3500 DRW Hemi with 4:10. Took our first camping trip this weekend loaded with truck camper and car trailer. Scaled at just over 20K lbs so about 12.5K lbs of cargo/trailer. Drove great, if you let cruise control drive it shifted and rev'd alot but pay attention and actually driving, looking ahead at the road I ran between 5th-7th at 55-65 mph in hilly northern Wisconsin. Trip said 7.9 MPG for the 260 mile round trip. Pretty good head wind coming home yesterday. Would like to see a touch better fuel economy but I still like the purchase.

 

[gimmie11s]

Single rear wheel lwb 3500 6.4 with 4.10 gears towing 22k:

Interesting. 7:35 made my eyes open. It took 20 seconds to accelerate from 40 to 60 mph and while the motor did sound healthy doing it, I would not want to hear that every time I approach the slightest incline.

Still a fine choice if the type of load is occasional, but any type of routine pull like that--I would want more truck.

 

[jetrinka]

Interesting. 7:35 made my eyes open. It took 20 seconds to accelerate from 40 to 60 mph and while the motor did sound healthy doing it, I would not want to hear that every time I approach the slightest incline.

Still a fine choice if the type of load is occasional, but any type of routine pull like that--I would want more truck.

Agreed. Nobody talks about how hard that kind of sustained/under load RPM is on the torque converter and all the heat that is generated in the transmission. Love my Hemi but its not the tool for that job....