2022 Ram HD Builds and orders - Post and discuss your TRUCK order here! ** NEW USERS READ POST #1 **

[Basser53]

Well, last night it said it arrived in the train yard near east St Louis…. This morning it says it departed and is expected in Texas on the 10th…. It’s supposed to go to southern Indiana so that doesn’t make much sense…. My dealer eta is Jan 7-Jan 20…. I wonder if the number we are tracking is used specifically for the car that the trucks are on, and that it’s a possibility that the trucks are unloaded and that train car continues on its journey??? If not, my truck gets to head to Texas for the second time ‍..

I'm guessing your truck was unloaded and is on a truck headed to your dealer.

 

[buzzuti]

#FunFacts

FWIW

A few conversations on this trim vs that trim and delivery times.
Seen a lot of comments on "Order Bighorn or Limited if you want a faster delivery vs Laramie."

Bottomline, the data is mixed between 2500s and 3500s.

Order Totals, Delivered vs Outstanding, from orders placed in AUG, SEP & OCT.
(139 total w/ 64 delivered) 2500s orders
(156 total w/ 52 delivered) 3500s orders



For the 2500s
- 30% Bighorns have been delivered
- 30% Limited have been delivered (approx.)
- >50% of the Laramie's have been delivered, big surprise (to me anyway) winner winner chicken dinner

Takeaways
Laramie, Limited, Bighorn order counts are in that order.
Laramie deliveries nearly double Bighorn & Limited combined.
Most folks are ordering Laramie's which have delivered the most volume and highest completion rate of all three. (kinda just said that I suppose)
2500 data shows best choice is the Laramie as far as completion rate is concerned.

For the 3500s
- Only 10% of Limited delivered (ouch)
- Only 30% of Laramie's delivered (meh, pretty avg across the spread here)
- Bighorn 60% of the orders delivered, big winner

Takeaways
3500 are the laggards between the 2500 and 3500s. Only 30% of the orders have been delivered vs just shy of 50% on the 2500s.
Data shows the more feature rich the package the longer the wait, which makes complete sense. However, interestingly enough, the opposite is true of the 2500s.
However, that statement is somewhat contradictory in the sense that higher tech outpaces lesser tech on the 2500 (by a modest margin).
That being said, though a ton of variables are missing here, either people are ordering really basic 3500 Bighorns or.... Or what? There are a couple of items specific to the Laramie/ Limited trim 3500s that are the trouble spot

Honestly, not sure 100% of that made sense...
But it was a fun exercise.
Keep in mind, our dataset does not have 100% accuracy (big props to the ones maintaining, imagine it is a pain...), but close enough to make some strong assumptions.

Thoughts?

 

[Firewall]

@buzzuti thanks for your analysis - very interesting!

 

[buzzuti]

Dont have an answer to WHY - but our limited sampling says it does - those who have reordered mostly have trucks which are at least "Built" and in some cases "Delivered" while the original order is either still pending with no status or built but behind the progress of the second order.

It appears that some of the original orders in question are still "Lost In Space" with no one able to provide info - while the second orders, often higher trim levels but including pretty much the same parts are moving forward.

It appears that for whatever reason, the more recent orders are (or at least were before the Christmas - New Years shutdown) moving more quickly as a whole regardless of options - though there are some Sept - Oct orders may be getting stuck - guessing you may have hit at least one potential factor - specific dealers and the way orders were placed / prioritized - though I dont think we have enough info on dealers to see if there is an actual correlation.

Ooooo! You inspired me... Going to double click on that and see the data there; order/ built/ delivered (time from build to delivery per model/ trim)!
That will be interesting!

Honestly ACEd, that is what I am seeing in the data as well; more recent orders are having a faster time to delivery.
They have mitigated shortages by diversifying suppliers, etc.. Prolly streamlined some processes therein as well.
This is great to see for the brand, and new/ future orders. Lame for the poor folks still out there flapping...

I am under the belief that "they" are as clear as to why certain orders are lagging is that the information therein may be valuable for competitors to know.
For example;
Specific "Solenoid" for part X...
If I was a competitor, I would get hyper aggressive on cornering the market on said "Solenoid" to try and disrupt my competitor and or get out in front of that problem before it becomes a problem for me...

 

[brv10]

Must be going to Centreville, IL, Mine is headed there too as of Tuesday morning. Mine will get loaded on to a truck there. Dealership an hour away, Goes past my house

Yep, both Centereville

 

[dblackwell]

Who did you order through, I live 30 mins north of Louisville on 65. Mine should be in any time now, was told its on the truck heading for dealer.

Eddie Gilstrap in Salem. I chatted with ramchat this morning and my expected delivery has been shortened to yesterday - Monday the 10th. Maybe I’ll have it by this weekend!

 

[ACEd]

#FunFacts

FWIW

A few conversations on this trim vs that trim and delivery times.
Seen a lot of comments on "Order Bighorn or Limited if you want a faster delivery vs Laramie."

Bottomline, the data is mixed between 2500s and 3500s.

Order Totals, Delivered vs Outstanding, from orders placed in AUG, SEP & OCT.
(139 total w/ 64 delivered) 2500s orders
(156 total w/ 52 delivered) 3500s orders

View attachment 29572

For the 2500s
- 30% Bighorns have been delivered
- 30% Limited have been delivered (approx.)
- >50% of the Laramie's have been delivered, big surprise (to me anyway) winner winner chicken dinner

Takeaways
Laramie, Limited, Bighorn order counts are in that order.
Laramie deliveries nearly double Bighorn & Limited combined.
Most folks are ordering Laramie's which have delivered the most volume and highest completion rate of all three. (kinda just said that I suppose)
2500 data shows best choice is the Laramie as far as completion rate is concerned.

For the 3500s
- Only 10% of Limited delivered (ouch)
- Only 30% of Laramie's delivered (meh, pretty avg across the spread here)
- Bighorn 60% of the orders delivered, big winner

Takeaways
3500 are the laggards between the 2500 and 3500s. Only 30% of the orders have been delivered vs just shy of 50% on the 2500s.
Data shows the more feature rich the package the longer the wait, which makes complete sense. However, interestingly enough, the opposite is true of the 2500s.
However, that statement is somewhat contradictory in the sense that higher tech outpaces lesser tech on the 2500 (by a modest margin).
That being said, though a ton of variables are missing here, either people are ordering really basic 3500 Bighorns or.... Or what? There are a couple of items specific to the Laramie/ Limited trim 3500s that are the trouble spot

Honestly, not sure 100% of that made sense...
But it was a fun exercise.
Keep in mind, our dataset does not have 100% accuracy (big props to the ones maintaining, imagine it is a pain...), but close enough to make some strong assumptions.

Thoughts?

After the Bighorn 3500s it looks like the Longhorns are the winner in both 2500 & 3500 with Tradesman 2500 and Power Wagon also in winners circle

 

[robbyreneeward]

#FunFacts

FWIW

A few conversations on this trim vs that trim and delivery times.
Seen a lot of comments on "Order Bighorn or Limited if you want a faster delivery vs Laramie."

Bottomline, the data is mixed between 2500s and 3500s.

Order Totals, Delivered vs Outstanding, from orders placed in AUG, SEP & OCT.
(139 total w/ 64 delivered) 2500s orders
(156 total w/ 52 delivered) 3500s orders

View attachment 29572

For the 2500s
- 30% Bighorns have been delivered
- 30% Limited have been delivered (approx.)
- >50% of the Laramie's have been delivered, big surprise (to me anyway) winner winner chicken dinner

Takeaways
Laramie, Limited, Bighorn order counts are in that order.
Laramie deliveries nearly double Bighorn & Limited combined.
Most folks are ordering Laramie's which have delivered the most volume and highest completion rate of all three. (kinda just said that I suppose)
2500 data shows best choice is the Laramie as far as completion rate is concerned.

For the 3500s
- Only 10% of Limited delivered (ouch)
- Only 30% of Laramie's delivered (meh, pretty avg across the spread here)
- Bighorn 60% of the orders delivered, big winner

Takeaways
3500 are the laggards between the 2500 and 3500s. Only 30% of the orders have been delivered vs just shy of 50% on the 2500s.
Data shows the more feature rich the package the longer the wait, which makes complete sense. However, interestingly enough, the opposite is true of the 2500s.
However, that statement is somewhat contradictory in the sense that higher tech outpaces lesser tech on the 2500 (by a modest margin).
That being said, though a ton of variables are missing here, either people are ordering really basic 3500 Bighorns or.... Or what? There are a couple of items specific to the Laramie/ Limited trim 3500s that are the trouble spot

Honestly, not sure 100% of that made sense...
But it was a fun exercise.
Keep in mind, our dataset does not have 100% accuracy (big props to the ones maintaining, imagine it is a pain...), but close enough to make some strong assumptions.

Thoughts?

This gives me hope my Laramie won’t take the 18-20 weeks I was quoted. Ordered 12/28 hoping to take receipt in April sometime.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[owdiss78]

This gives me hope my Laramie won’t take the 18-20 weeks I was quoted. Ordered 12/28 hoping to take receipt in April sometime.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Never know you may hit the ram lotto and have it by then. Or get skipped and still know nothing by then except ram updates saying congratulations on your new ram great news you are in gathering parts phase!!! For months on end!! Good luck

 

[ACEd]

Ooooo! You inspired me... Going to double click on that and see the data there; order/ built/ delivered (time from build to delivery per model/ trim)!
That will be interesting!

Honestly ACEd, that is what I am seeing in the data as well; more recent orders are having a faster time to delivery.
They have mitigated shortages by diversifying suppliers, etc.. Prolly streamlined some processes therein as well.
This is great to see for the brand, and new/ future orders. Lame for the poor folks still out there flapping...

I am under the belief that "they" are as clear as to why certain orders are lagging is that the information therein may be valuable for competitors to know.
For example;
Specific "Solenoid" for part X...
If I was a competitor, I would get hyper aggressive on cornering the market on said "Solenoid" to try and disrupt my competitor and or get out in front of that problem before it becomes a problem for me...

As to WHY some are not moving, I dont think it is parts per se - there does not seem to be any option or common parts that are not on other trucks that are moving. That has happened - mine was held up in JS for over a week along with 20+ others all with TTPMS but no other common option - they all broke loose in a 2 day period. But the May, June, July, Aug orders that are "Lost" seem to be truly "Lost". Some older orders have moved recently but others not. I am thinking something got deprioritized for some reason and fell thru the crack.

 

[scottagreen80]

Eddie Gilstrap in Salem. I chatted with ramchat this morning and my expected delivery has been shortened to yesterday - Monday the 10th. Maybe I’ll have it by this weekend!

Small world live in Henryville, Ordered mine from Glenn CDJR. Love Gilstrap's service department but never had much luck dealing with Steve and the gang in sales.

 

[robbyreneeward]

As to WHY some are not moving, I dont think it is parts per se - there does not seem to be any option or common parts that are not on other trucks that are moving. That has happened - mine was held up in JS for over a week along with 20+ others all with TTPMS but no other common option - they all broke loose in a 2 day period. But the May, June, July, Aug orders that are "Lost" seem to be truly "Lost". Some older orders have moved recently but others not. I am thinking something got deprioritized for some reason and fell thru the crack.

But makes you wonder what could’ve caused them be lost


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[MrTaz]

As to WHY some are not moving, I dont think it is parts per se - there does not seem to be any option or common parts that are not on other trucks that are moving. That has happened - mine was held up in JS for over a week along with 20+ others all with TTPMS but no other common option - they all broke loose in a 2 day period. But the May, June, July, Aug orders that are "Lost" seem to be truly "Lost". Some older orders have moved recently but others not. I am thinking something got deprioritized for some reason and fell thru the crack.

Or they got moved to the back of the storage lot and the employees are too lazy to go move a couple hundred trucks to get to it.

 

[tyler2you]

But makes you wonder what could’ve caused them be lost


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yep, as great as the crowdsourced spreadsheet is, it only tracks a limited set of the available options (trim, cab, engine, drive, wheels, BSM, and sunroof). There are probably many, many more potential part shortages that may impact how a particular order gets scheduled. If we had every possible option on the spreadsheet, some patterns might emerge. Who knows, it could be a shortage of chrome grilles and tow hooks, rambox beds, a chip in the tow tech package, patriot blue paint, or bed steps. Unfortunately, we don't have the information and Ram isn't likely to provide it to us based on recent history.

 

[RummerRam]

Ordered mine on 12/22 originally (another story)

but that one is D1 status and schedule for production on 2/2... (really no idea what any of this means)

so that may be the case, you are in line possibly, scheduled for build?

im right there with you. Called ram chat this morning and they confirmed all parts have been gathered with a early February build date.
Ordered Laramie gas NE 12/15. I feel like this is one of the biggest hurdles to get past. Well, besides shipping…

 

[Stellanti]

As to WHY some are not moving, I dont think it is parts per se - there does not seem to be any option or common parts that are not on other trucks that are moving. That has happened - mine was held up in JS for over a week along with 20+ others all with TTPMS but no other common option - they all broke loose in a 2 day period. But the May, June, July, Aug orders that are "Lost" seem to be truly "Lost". Some older orders have moved recently but others not. I am thinking something got deprioritized for some reason and fell thru the crack.

Could also be a conscious decision, got a few people already mad, don’t worry about them focus on keeping as many orders moving through quickly and keep the majority ~80% happy with decent lead times, also giving an advantageous statistical out look for people looking on market seeing statistically shorter lead times for a Ram versus competitors even though a few outliers of their orders end up well north of 30 weeks if they only advertise the average could still entice new buyers to select them… and stellantis is pretty big on the whole 80-20 thing in every aspect of business

 

[matemike]

Yep, as great as the crowdsourced spreadsheet is, it only tracks a limited set of the available options (trim, cab, engine, drive, wheels, BSM, and sunroof). There are probably many, many more potential part shortages that may impact how a particular order gets scheduled. If we had every possible option on the spreadsheet, some patterns might emerge. Who knows, it could be a shortage of chrome grilles and tow hooks, rambox beds, a chip in the tow tech package, patriot blue paint, or bed steps. Unfortunately, we don't have the information and Ram isn't likely to provide it to us based on recent history.

It could also be, and likely is, a day to day, hour to hour moving target as to what particular or combination of parts is causing a hold up at that time. Might even change as quickly and as often as the leader board on a NASCAR race.

Then there’s a crash! And that leader board list redevelops in a totally new order.
Speaking about our trucks, It would be anybody’s guess as to what the new list would look like of “delay causing options” after every day of weird commerce continues.

 

[robbyreneeward]

im right there with you. Called ram chat this morning and they confirmed all parts have been gathered with a early February build date.
Ordered Laramie gas NE 12/15. I feel like this is one of the biggest hurdles to get past. Well, besides shipping…

You seem to be moving on fairly quickly


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[matemike]

im right there with you. Called ram chat this morning and they confirmed all parts have been gathered with a early February build date.
Ordered Laramie gas NE 12/15. I feel like this is one of the biggest hurdles to get past. Well, besides shipping…

That’s great! So no equipment list yet, but are you D1?
I ordered a Laramie gas 2500 NE on 12/18.
Are you a MD order?

 

[dblackwell]

Small world live in Henryville, Ordered mine from Glenn CDJR. Love Gilstrap's service department but never had much luck dealing with Steve and the gang in sales.

My family has always bought Fords from Travis. This is my 4th purchase from him. No haggle at all basically tell them what I want trade and they get it done. I get employee pricing on both Ford and Ram so that probably cuts out some of the negotiations. Only have to worry about $$ for trade. I’m actually in Bedford but I’d never buy from the dealer here. Don’t trust them to not be shady…