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Will the MY25 HD RAM still be a 4.5 Gen?

Almost makes you think they are not ready and scrambling to roll out no changes.
 
gpattikjr said:
Almost makes you think they are not ready and scrambling to roll out no changes.
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Or on the opposite side of things by going over the testing more and more to ensure no issues. Who is to say but we should hear soon
 
Cummins unveiled their 2027 emission-compliant X15 like in February this year. If Cummins had a new ISB 6.7 ready I don't know why they would be waiting on RAM to unveil it.
 
AirRyan said:
Cummins unveiled their 2027 emission-compliant X15 like in February this year. If Cummins had a new ISB 6.7 ready I don't know why they would be waiting on RAM to unveil it.
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Because the engines built for RAM would be proprietary they have never released any info for engines going for the ram trucks.
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
Because the engines built for RAM would be proprietary they have never released any info for engines going for the ram trucks.
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Maybe the RAM versions would, but lots of other ISB 6.7's in use by others and that's what I'm getting at. The latest ISB 6.7 product info on Cummins website is the 2021 version. Obviously it's not out yet, but usually someone on YouTube (TFLguys) or somewhere usually gets wind of more details by now, other than the slight aesthetic updates that will make up the MY25 that we have seen a couple of spy shots of. Either way, just speaks a little to the overall level of disorganization that Stelantis is at the present. Rehashing the late MY24 with aesthetic packages is kind of weak sauce.
 
Ford and Chevy are already building 2025 HD trucks. I'm a Ram guy from the start, but I can't believe Ram is so far behind the 8 ball with any 25 info. I honestly believe that if there was any sort of big changes other than transmission to the 25 line-up, it would have been revealed by now.
 
Xflight29 said:
Ford and Chevy are already building 2025 HD trucks. I'm a Ram guy from the start, but I can't believe Ram is so far behind the 8 ball with any 25 info. I honestly believe that if there was any sort of big changes other than transmission to the 25 line-up, it would have been revealed by now.
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Ford is not building 25s yet. I’m considering ordering one and it sounds like their order banks will open September 16 but no details of the 25 have been revealed.
 
AirRyan said:
I can't beleive we are in the 2nd week of September and Job 1 RAM HD gas vehicles are supposed to start production in October, and not even a dealer order guide or anything. If there is a new Cummins ISB diesel for MY25, when do those motors start production? I thought I read awhile ago that the new ZF 8 speeds for the diesels being built in South Carolina are already in production?
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Production of the ZF Powerline 8 transmission has been underway since Fall of 2023 at the company’s Gray Court SC facility. ZF dumped $200 million into that manufacturing location and opened up an entirely new assembly line specifically for that transmission with production targets of over 200,000 units per year. The Powerline 8 transmission is already installed and in-use by commercial truck manufacturers like Kenworth (PACCAR). ZF has an agreement to produce that transmission for PACCAR under the “PACCAR PX-8” branding but it’s the exact same transmission.

As for the new Cummins, I highly doubt it will be a totally new architecture or larger displacement than the current 6.7L. If anything, I would expect some changes to the overall tuning, the fuel delivery, compression ratio, turbocharging, and general reinforcements where needed to support higher HP and TQ numbers.
 
I'm sure we aren't going to see the 2025 until Stellantis and it's dealers get the old 2023 and 2024 units sold, first.

It makes absolutely zero business sense to release a "revised" 2025 truck, regardless of any changes, to potentially remove an old stock 23/24 sale, to a new 25.

Last I saw, they were 700+ days in HD Ram supply and I know the local dealers are absolutely flush with hundreds of HD units. Hell, in the KC market, there are still 2023's new on the lots.

I personally went from a 9 month old 2023 to a brand new 2024, because the rebates and discounts were so insanely thick.
 
Musclelogic said:
I'm sure we aren't going to see the 2025 until Stellantis and it's dealers get the old 2023 and 2024 units sold, first.

It makes absolutely zero business sense to release a "revised" 2025 truck, regardless of any changes, to potentially remove an old stock 23/24 sale, to a new 25.

Last I saw, they were 700+ days in HD Ram supply and I know the local dealers are absolutely flush with hundreds of HD units. Hell, in the KC market, there are still 2023's new on the lots.

I personally went from a 9 month old 2023 to a brand new 2024, because the rebates and discounts were so insanely thick.
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If Ford and Chevy along with GMC are building 2025 you will see Ram way before they sell all or any 2023 / 2024, it won't make a difference if they have 2025 on the lots, they will need to rebate 23 / 24 big $$ either way to get rid of them just as Chevy and Ford have. People want the latest year if they are investing $$$ into a new truck. Why are there still so many 23 / 24 still on lots, most likely because they want the 2025 trucks. It takes time to re-tool machines to accommodate the newer style of truck.
 
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Musclelogic said:
I'm sure we aren't going to see the 2025 until Stellantis and it's dealers get the old 2023 and 2024 units sold, first.

It makes absolutely zero business sense to release a "revised" 2025 truck, regardless of any changes, to potentially remove an old stock 23/24 sale, to a new 25.

Last I saw, they were 700+ days in HD Ram supply and I know the local dealers are absolutely flush with hundreds of HD units. Hell, in the KC market, there are still 2023's new on the lots.

I personally went from a 9 month old 2023 to a brand new 2024, because the rebates and discounts were so insanely thick.
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Plants don't stay idle except for the time it takes to retool. Dealer inventory really has nothing to do with it, they can always slow production, but the plants will output trucks.
 
Order window is supposed to open up 9/20 this Friday, will be interesting to see if that holds.
 
Xflight29 said:
If Ford and Chevy along with GMC are building 2025 you will see Ram way before they sell all or any 2023 / 2024, it won't make a difference if they have 2025 on the lots, they will need to rebate 23 / 24 big $$ either way to get rid of them just as Chevy and Ford have. People want the latest year if they are investing $$$ into a new truck. Why are there still so many 23 / 24 still on lots, most likely because they want the 2025 trucks. It takes time to re-tool machines to accommodate the newer style of truck.
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Conventionally in years past, that'd be a fact, but all CDJR brands are in dire straits, financially now. This year is going to be a bit different.

Brutal_HO said:
Plants don't stay idle except for the time it takes to retool. Dealer inventory really has nothing to do with it, they can always slow production, but the plants will output trucks.
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I'd look again, just two weeks ago, Stellantis throttled the Toledo, OH and two Detroit plants that produce Jeeps due to excess inventory. This is typical FCA / Stellantis, they're known to idle plants when the inventory reaches a critical threshold. With the glut of Ram inventory, it's only a matter of time before the Mexican plant is idled.
 
Musclelogic said:
Conventionally in years past, that'd be a fact, but all CDJR brands are in dire straits, financially now. This year is going to be a bit different.



I'd look again, just two weeks ago, Stellantis throttled the Toledo, OH and two Detroit plants that produce Jeeps due to excess inventory. This is typical FCA / Stellantis, they're known to idle plants when the inventory reaches a critical threshold. With the glut of Ram inventory, it's only a matter of time before the Mexican plant is idled.
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The unsold vehicles will be further marked down but they are not holding back production due to inventory. This is actually the market we need to make vehicle pricing start to get back to normal not the extremely inflated prices they have been for the last few years. The production vs inventory situation we are in is the same as it was before 2019. I am willing to bet we will see 0% interest rates wide spread again like they once were
 
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