I seriously wonder if we would be having the same discussion even 7 years ago? I saw a very good ''scientific'' report on the emissions testing while regen and am searching for it which I will link here once I get it, but we have to remember it is not anywhere close to equal with someone pouring oil on grass.
I'm not drawing the correlation between pouring oil on grass as the same amount of environmental harm as a deleted diesel. My drawing that correlation, as I stated, was for the argument that "well other countries still pollute!" and "I believe in freedom". My point was to provide an example as a comparison. It wasn't
that long ago when the recommendation was to pour used oil into the ground.
The point about wondering if one would also support the EPA against the RPM act was not my idea to take a discussion to the extreme examples, it was so ensure that if we are going to correlate smog in the air with deleting and being against it for that reason, why should we not make the argument that if you are against one, should you not be against the other? Especially because it is not like we are talking about 2 different industries as a whole.
the VW scandal has told us pretty clearly about just how much pollutants are put out by a vehicle that is running in a non-compliant manner vs one that is. I'm not good with people continuing to do things that wreck the natural world just because they want to, obviously within reason. I hunt and fish, and while I feel that brings me closer to the land and our ancestors, there are many who would disagree with that assertion. My point here is that there is a very clear difference between a guy who is deleting all the emissions equipment on his truck, and a guy who's throwing on larger tires or an exhaust system.
I am curious on your stance on the generator ban as well, is this and anything else the EPA comes up with to ban in order to help air quality going to get your support? Or is there a line in your sand where you can do your own research and realize that overreach/over-regulating is not just to help the environment but also pad some jobs in the gov and gov invested industries?
I assume you're talking about CA's ban on generators coming in 2028 or whenever. I'm all for clean air, clean water, etc. but I think (per usual) that our government just attempts to snap it's fingers with new regulation, and it's always almost impossible for companies to move so quickly to meet it. I really dislike our gov playing kingmaker in this regard. I don't know that I appreciate the assertion that I can't, or don't for that matter, do my own research. I realize that our government is participating in a vast amount of regulation, likely too much, and is reaching far and wide in a speed that we haven't seen before. I feel that this is not the correct path forward, however it doesn't mean that the science or data backing these decisions is wrong. You have to separate out the dislike or distrust of the one from the positives of the others. I'm also not naive enough to think that some group of politicians isn't making money somewhere, somehow, from this move.
I respectfully disagree with your reference to deletes making any difference at all to the emissions on tuning world and development as the tuning for non-emissions trucks took some time out of the gate as well, emissions on tuning is experiencing the same slow out of the gate as any new platform engine tuning goes through, but I do enjoy when people like to say they want scientific proof in way of cleaning up diesel trucks but then go and upload a ''emissions on'' tune that there is almost no data on the impact on the tailpipe emissions.
Fair points. That said, there are a ton of emissions on tuned trucks that do have some sort of emissions testing, maybe not as good as factory, but they pass the bar. I'm not going to say that it's not a balance, it completely is a balance. I'm saying that by willfully ignoring the data that we dislike, we turn ourselves into an angry mob that can't be reasoned with. I'm about balance, and freedom.
I was not going to respond as I know that 10 years from now when a new law comes out that alters the way people have been living for a extended period of time.. there will always be people on the side pointing their finger at the people that don't jump straight on the bandwagon of the most popular policy vote. There have been many scandals with the EPA and similar organizations over the years, so excuse me for not taking what is released publicly as gospel out of the gate.
Who knows, maybe you will wave back at me through the window of your Rivian when I drive by you 12 years from now in my deleted Cummins.
It's not really a "new" law though. At this point things changed over to emissions on diesels 15 years ago. A few years is one thing, but 15 years is a long freaking time. Don't you think that some of the automakers would have run their own tests? Surely someone by now would have been able to prove otherwise if this was all a farce? I'm not pointing my finger at anyone, I'm not treating anything as gospel. Frankly I spend tens of hours researching the data around deletes and about how harmful is it really to the environment. How bad is manufacturing def, and transporting it, etc. I even looked at the data around how harmful NOx really is, and if it's being overblown or not (the consensus seems to be that it's bad, but there still seems to be some debate around it, although in this day and age it's hard enough to know what's in good faith or not).
I don't really need to believe anything that the EPA says, I can look at the data from Virginia Tech (I think it was there, West Virginia University, somewhere around there) during the VW scandal. The data is bad, no qualms about it. It's just the facts. I wish it wasn't, truly. I wish that it clearly was just gov overreach and something I could chalk up to another time the state of Cali trampled peoples rights and freedoms in the name of winning a vote. Sadly, that wasn't the case. If it were, I'd be sitting with a deleted truck in my driveway.
P.S. I've never driven a Rivian, but I'd love to. Electric vehicles are the future, or hydrogen… Their acceleration is like nothing I've ever experienced. I was in a base model 3 series tesla and the thing was so quick off the line it blew my pops new C8 vette out of the water. I think they are cool but I'm an old school car guy so that will always have my heart. Also, please hold the whole "do you know how bad lithium mining is!" because everyone says that as an argument against electric vehicles and while true it doesn't seem to stop people from buying new cell phones, ipads, laptops, etc. every year. I'm not equating one to the other.
Anyway, I appreciate the respectful discussion, I don't imagine I'll change your mind on. any of this, but it's an opportunity to challenge my own thinking so I appreciate it.
