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Payload capacity/tow question

I think T/H also change exhaust brake. It seems a lot more agressive in T/H.
 
Plum Cra Zy said:
Axle weigh your truck, subtract rear axle weight from rear axle capacity and you will have a good idea what you can haul for pin weight. Don't worry about PL. FCA is just playing it safe rating 2500's at 10k. Look at new GM's. They're rating 2500's at 11250 with PL at 3200. Same axle ratings as Ram!
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What does a 2500 rear axle weigh roughly? And shouldn’t FCA factor that in when throwing a max payload number on the door sticker?
 
So I've got a few questions for my friends.
1: if my max trailer weight can be 34,176 and you figure fiver pin Weight at about 20% of trailer weight . That's approximately 6,800 lbs pin weight. My payload is 5,176. How can you haul that heavy of a trailer when nobody has a pl value of 6,800.
2: at what point about will the air suspension throw a code of overload weight.
So hers the next kicker. Yes my sticker shows 5176 for pl because my truck weighs 8,824 but thats with out people, cargo, and extra accessories added to truck after factory weigh in.
Factory weight 8824
2 adults, dogs. 300
Side steps. 50
Fiver hitch. 250
Tool box/tools 300
Aux fuel tank fl. 450
Bakflip. 100
= 10,274
Gvwr. 14,000
3,726. Lbs left for fiver pin Weight, that's practically just over half of whars needed for the estimated 20% pin weight of s 34,176 trailer
Comments , questions, or hey d.a. you forgot this
 
Rich said:
So I've got a few questions for my friends.
1: if my max trailer weight can be 34,176 and you figure fiver pin Weight at about 20% of trailer weight . That's approximately 6,800 lbs pin weight. My payload is 5,176. How can you haul that heavy of a trailer when nobody has a pl value of 6,800.
2: at what point about will the air suspension throw a code of overload weight.
So hers the next kicker. Yes my sticker shows 5176 for pl because my truck weighs 8,824 but thats with out people, cargo, and extra accessories added to truck after factory weigh in.
Factory weight 8824
2 adults, dogs. 300
Side steps. 50
Fiver hitch. 250
Tool box/tools 300
Aux fuel tank fl. 450
Bakflip. 100
= 10,274
Gvwr. 14,000
3,726. Lbs left for fiver pin Weight, that's practically just over half of whars needed for the estimated 20% pin weight of s 34,176 trailer
Comments , questions, or hey d.a. you forgot this
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Gooseneck trailer, not a 5th wheel, can get you there. Equipment trailers are loaded differently and the weight can be moved to be closer or farther from the trailer wheels.
 
RV_Goose said:
Gooseneck trailer, not a 5th wheel, can get you there. Equipment trailers are loaded differently and the weight can be moved to be closer or farther from the trailer wheels.
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This.

Double tow can also get you up to max tow without exceeding payload.
 
RV_Goose said:
Gooseneck trailer, not a 5th wheel, can get you there. Equipment trailers are loaded differently and the weight can be moved to be closer or farther from the trailer wheels.
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So my truck is rated for 34k . That would be 6800 pin weight. My pl is 5200 lbs. Are you saying that there is that much difference between goose and fiver. That's a 34 k gooseneck vs a 26 k fiver in limitations.
ALSO at what pint doors the overload light come on for air suspension, i bought the biggest baddest truck out they're, to late to turn back now. I guess ill be overloading my pl by a $#/+ load
 
Rich said:
So my truck is rated for 34k . That would be 6800 pin weight. My pl is 5200 lbs. Are you saying that there is that much difference between goose and fiver. That's a 34 k gooseneck vs a 26 k fiver in limitations.
ALSO at what pint doors the overload light come on for air suspension, i bought the biggest baddest truck out they're, to late to turn back now. I guess ill be overloading my pl by a $#/+ load
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My 2020 RAM 3500 Tradesman CC LB 4x4 dually is rated for 5400+. If you have a Laramie or a Limited, you payload will be 800-1200 less than mine.

The max payload trucks are 4x2 regular cab Tradesman with the HO diesel with Aisin. Pretty much a special order truck.
 
Rich said:
So my truck is rated for 34k . That would be 6800 pin weight. My pl is 5200 lbs. Are you saying that there is that much difference between goose and fiver. That's a 34 k gooseneck vs a 26 k fiver in limitations.
ALSO at what pint doors the overload light come on for air suspension, i bought the biggest baddest truck out they're, to late to turn back now. I guess ill be overloading my pl by a $#/+ load
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Can't say when it comes on, but another member had his light up with a heavy truck camper on a SRW with air and it disabled the exhaust brake according to his report.

Bottom line is if you're going to exceed the payload, you're going to need a truck without the factory air and be doing so at your own (legal) peril.
 
Also...where a 5th wheel camper pin weight is 20-22% of gross, goosenecks can be only 15% of gross. I doubt it applies to converted 5ver to gooseneck.
 
brutal said:
Can't say when it comes on, but another member had his light up with a heavy truck camper on a SRW with air and it disabled the exhaust brake according to his report.

Bottom line is if you're going to exceed the payload, you're going to need a truck without the factory air and be doing so at your own (legal) peril.
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Only GAWR and GAWF matter.
 
RV_Goose said:
Only GAWR and GAWF matter.
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It was probably the GAW (perhaps the rear axle sensor position) but someone did get an overload indicator lit up on their dash.

If it's important, I can probably find the post.
 
DevilDodge said:
Do not quote me on the numbers...they vary year to year model to model but the jist is

Up to 18k with conventional

Up to 25k with 5th wheel

And max tow is gooseneck only.
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For 2019-2020 I think they may have upped the 5th to 30K, GN required over. They're also showing 15% 5th pin weight allowed on 5th for what it's worth. IMHO, you might get more chucking below 18-20%.

Caveman math, a 30K 5th with 15% pin would be 4500 lbs. 20% would be 6K and inside the limits of only a few Tradesman models.

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RV_Goose said:
Only GAWR and GAWF matter.
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That's what I was thinking to. The rear axle is rated for 9750 lbs and front ( not as important) is rated for 6000. Anybody have real world actual numbers of your front and rear axle weight from the factoryy with out all your extras so i can figure mine accordingly based on my extras. Im just curious if my actual payload is 5200 lbs based on the factory weight rating sitting on rear axle or if I have more.
Also I don't think converting fiver into goose ball would make any difference, the weight is still sitting forward
 
That's why you see all these people towing these monsters with class 8 trucks!........
( Unless you're from CA, then all you need is a short bed 2500 with a 6 inch lift!)
 
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brutal said:
For 2019-2020 I think they may have upped the 5th to 30K, GN required over. They're also showing 15% 5th pin weight allowed on 5th for what it's worth. IMHO, you might get more chucking below 18-20%.

Caveman math, a 30K 5th with 15% pin would be 4500 lbs. 20% would be 6K and inside the limits of only a few Tradesman models.

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brutal said:
This.

Double tow can also get you up to max tow without exceeding payload.
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What he said! And I can get a lot farther off the beaten path!
 
Like i stated in a previous post , my factory pl is 5200 but with all the extras just in and on truck that takes my mac pin weight down to 3700. That's ridiculous with a truck this stought. I won't be hauling a 43 k fiver but as you all know we are going to purchase a 26k lb gvwr fiver, so what i would need is around 5200 lbs. That would of been my truck exactly with out hitch or people or toolbox or steps or aux fuel tank or tonnue cover. That is not practical to not have those things. Once you put all that on, you've got nothing left to haul a big heavy load with. I'll have to figure out a way to add 1500 lbs pl capacity to get me back to wear i started
 
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