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Not your usual CP4 thread

spike98

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So I want to proactively retrofit a CP3 into my 2020. Looking online looking for conversions, it seems to me like the community is getting absolutely gouged. $3K USD for a kit with a stock pump. $1800 for the kit with no PUMP!?! Its some hoses, adapter plates and a bracket. That is absolutely outrageous. In canada, i can get a bosch pump for $1000 CAD so there is no way these people aren't gouging the community over this. There is at least a 100% mark up going on.

So to my question, does anyone know of a manufacturer that sells these conversion kits for a reasonable price?
 
you can get the s&s no tune kit for $2700. there's not really any answer other than that's the cost of entry. it does take some investment to get kits to market with the ecu plate, adapter, proper fittings, etc...

I didn't feel bad about getting my s&s super sport pump with tune update for a bit more than that. you'd be shocked at how much noise the cp4 contributes to overall levels, once a cp3 is retrofitted.
 
elephantrider said:
you can get the s&s no tune kit for $2700. there's not really any answer other than that's the cost of entry. it does take some investment to get kits to market with the ecu plate, adapter, proper fittings, etc...

I didn't feel bad about getting my s&s super sport pump with tune update for a bit more than that. you'd be shocked at how much noise the cp4 contributes to overall levels, once a cp3 is retrofitted.
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And i can respect paying a premium for an aftermarket improvement. But a stock pump? I get they need to make back some money because of the R&D but just ridiculous. Reminds me of when the L5P tunes first came out but the dumax didnt NEED a tune to not fail.
 
I would wait on mother mopar to install a factory part with a warranty rather than lose that piece of mind with the aftermarket.
 
Brutal_HO said:
Setup your own R&D and machine shop and make the parts.

Let us know what that costs.
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I'll let you know what the machine shop says. If i order at least 10 sets of adapters, he could likely do the run for $500 each. Then add in the ECU bracket and misc fittings. Out the door for $1000 CAD easy.
 
spike98 said:
I'll let you know what the machine shop says. If i order at least 10 sets of adapters, he could likely do the run for $500 each. Then add in the ECU bracket and misc fittings. Out the door for $1000 CAD easy.
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Its called supply and demand sure you could reverse engineer the kit but as a guy who works in the machining/ fab industry and formally the automotive industry i can guarantee you will not get a kit together much cheaper of the same quality also the drive gear set up they sell is Proprietary so you cant buy it seperate and it will not be cheap to make if you even know someone with a capable cnc and the know how to program it as that is not an easy thing to just whip up…. Its a ton of hassle to go through for the 3500$ Canadian diesel online sells it for… just think is it worth the 20k if your cheap parts fail and possibly take out the engine?
 
H3LZSN1P3R said:
Its called supply and demand sure you could reverse engineer the kit but as a guy who works in the machining/ fab industry and formally the automotive industry i can guarantee you will not get a kit together much cheaper of the same quality also the drive gear set up they sell is Proprietary so you cant buy it seperate and it will not be cheap to make if you even know someone with a capable cnc and the know how to program it as that is not an easy thing to just whip up…. Its a ton of hassle to go through for the 3500$ Canadian diesel online sells it for… just think is it worth the 20k if your cheap parts fail and possibly take out the engine?
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I also have experience in fab and machining and respectfully disagree. For a one of, yea it will be expensive because you have to cover the modeling/programing but with every one after, it gets cheaper.

I will likely bite the bullet and spend the money on a kit, it just rubs me the wrong way. Much like people selling cases of water during a hurricane for 10x the price.

If anyone does know where to get the drive parts from, let me know! I am still not opposed to piecing out a cheaper kit if the custom parts are available.
 
I'm sure either S&S or Industrial Injection would love to hear your thoughts on their pricing. I mean, that, or you could keep calling them cheats and thieves on the internet.

FWIW, Cummins bought a kit from S&S some time before RamCares announced they had a service solution in the works, then came the (forced) recall. Do you suppose they are paying royalties to him for that R&D?

If anything chaps your ass, that should be it.
 
spike98 said:
I'll let you know what the machine shop says. If i order at least 10 sets of adapters, he could likely do the run for $500 each. Then add in the ECU bracket and misc fittings. Out the door for $1000 CAD easy.
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Just in your example you're looking at what 2k? Then another ~$150 USD for the gear, and boom you've saved ~$550. If you want to sell the other 9 adapters you're realistically going to need to piece together the parts, plus packaging, instructions, etc. Let's say you spend $50 on all that and you don't offer free shipping. Well you're now at $500 cheaper than the S&S kit, awesome. Here is the rub, both myself and a lot of others aren't gonna buy from some random dude online for the same price we can get a kit from a known brand with a stellar reputation, so you're gonna have to cut the price lower. Let's say you drop it $250, well now you've only got $250 in profit and considering all the legwork you've had to do to source parts and materials and collect the sales online on this forum or FB you're probably making a lot less than expected. Not to mention that you now have some responsibility to support these pumps, or at least the install kit, and you've basically just stolen another companies R&D.

I think that S&S is obviously charging full tilt for their kits, and considering everything that's happened (CP4 was only on for two years, it's been recalled, etc.) I'd be surprised if they made much off them overall.
 
UglyViking said:
Just in your example you're looking at what 2k? Then another ~$150 USD for the gear, and boom you've saved ~$550. If you want to sell the other 9 adapters you're realistically going to need to piece together the parts, plus packaging, instructions, etc. Let's say you spend $50 on all that and you don't offer free shipping. Well you're now at $500 cheaper than the S&S kit, awesome. Here is the rub, both myself and a lot of others aren't gonna buy from some random dude online for the same price we can get a kit from a known brand with a stellar reputation, so you're gonna have to cut the price lower. Let's say you drop it $250, well now you've only got $250 in profit and considering all the legwork you've had to do to source parts and materials and collect the sales online on this forum or FB you're probably making a lot less than expected. Not to mention that you now have some responsibility to support these pumps, or at least the install kit, and you've basically just stolen another companies R&D.

I think that S&S is obviously charging full tilt for their kits, and considering everything that's happened (CP4 was only on for two years, it's been recalled, etc.) I'd be surprised if they made much off them overall.
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Not only that unless he was to make some changes (i believe at least 10% different) they may go after him for copyright infringement just like when sinister diesel went after anyone using a similar blue on other parts…
 
UglyViking said:
Just in your example you're looking at what 2k? Then another ~$150 USD for the gear, and boom you've saved ~$550. If you want to sell the other 9 adapters you're realistically going to need to piece together the parts, plus packaging, instructions, etc. Let's say you spend $50 on all that and you don't offer free shipping. Well you're now at $500 cheaper than the S&S kit, awesome. Here is the rub, both myself and a lot of others aren't gonna buy from some random dude online for the same price we can get a kit from a known brand with a stellar reputation, so you're gonna have to cut the price lower. Let's say you drop it $250, well now you've only got $250 in profit and considering all the legwork you've had to do to source parts and materials and collect the sales online on this forum or FB you're probably making a lot less than expected. Not to mention that you now have some responsibility to support these pumps, or at least the install kit, and you've basically just stolen another companies R&D.

I think that S&S is obviously charging full tilt for their kits, and considering everything that's happened (CP4 was only on for two years, it's been recalled, etc.) I'd be surprised if they made much off them overall.
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I have enough side hustles, I dont need another. I wouldn't be looking to profit anything.

It all moot because I go in for the recall on wednesday. I suspect you are going to see a nose dive in the cost of the S&S kits very soon.

H3LZSN1P3R said:
Not only that unless he was to make some changes (i believe at least 10% different) they may go after him for copyright infringement just like when sinister diesel went after anyone using a similar blue on other parts…
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See above
 
UglyViking said:
Just in your example you're looking at what 2k? Then another ~$150 USD for the gear, and boom you've saved ~$550. If you want to sell the other 9 adapters you're realistically going to need to piece together the parts, plus packaging, instructions, etc. Let's say you spend $50 on all that and you don't offer free shipping. Well you're now at $500 cheaper than the S&S kit, awesome. Here is the rub, both myself and a lot of others aren't gonna buy from some random dude online for the same price we can get a kit from a known brand with a stellar reputation, so you're gonna have to cut the price lower. Let's say you drop it $250, well now you've only got $250 in profit and considering all the legwork you've had to do to source parts and materials and collect the sales online on this forum or FB you're probably making a lot less than expected. Not to mention that you now have some responsibility to support these pumps, or at least the install kit, and you've basically just stolen another companies R&D.

I think that S&S is obviously charging full tilt for their kits, and considering everything that's happened (CP4 was only on for two years, it's been recalled, etc.) I'd be surprised if they made much off them overall.
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And let's not forget the shop costs: rental fees, heating, power needed for manufacturing, etc. Unless a guy wants to run his business out from his mom's basement, it ain't cheap so they have to make extra to cover the costs and make profits.
 
spike98 said:
I have enough side hustles, I dont need another. I wouldn't be looking to profit anything.

It all moot because I go in for the recall on wednesday. I suspect you are going to see a nose dive in the cost of the S&S kits very soon.


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If you have enough side hustles and aren't looking to make any profit doing it then I fail to see how you benefit at all from making a kit for everyone else that is a few hundred dollars cheaper?

Seems to me the time and cost associated with it would be better spent purchasing one of the already made kits that also offer product support. Or just wait for the recall and its free with factory parts? Factory/stock just seems to work better for longer IMO.
 
jetrinka said:
If you have enough side hustles and aren't looking to make any profit doing it then I fail to see how you benefit at all from making a kit for everyone else that is a few hundred dollars cheaper?

Seems to me the time and cost associated with it would be better spent purchasing one of the already made kits that also offer product support. Or just wait for the recall and its free with factory parts? Factory/stock just seems to work better for longer IMO.
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Principal i guess. I would rather invest my own time and money into something than to be taken advantage of. Same reason why i don't by certain products or attain certain services (cough realtors cough).
 
spike98 said:
Principal i guess. I would rather invest my own time and money into something than to be taken advantage of. Same reason why i don't by certain products or attain certain services (cough realtors cough).
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Man I dunno about that. For me I'd gladly invest in certain products and services (yes even realtors) just to know I am getting a product that has been well thought through and is supported or a service that is provided by a professional who's been doing it way better than me for way longer.

If I tried to invest my own time and money into everything I wanted/needed done I'd either have no time to do things that truly matter to me, or no money to use during those times.

I can tell you most people here would rather wait for the recall or pay another company for something that's already been well thought out.

To each their own. If you do it post up pics when done!
 
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