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MDS

There's a pretty good video out there showing that these things run almost only a little less fuel at idle as they do at 50mph cruising. Stopping fuel consumption while waiting for traffic lights isn't bad, especially since the start/stop fires the engine right back up as soon as you start to release the brake. (At least, in the wife's Jeep.) I have 34,000 miles on my current Ram. Clicking through the dash menu, I show that I have 1,028 hours driving and 76 hours idling in it. I have only used the remote start in cold weather a couple of times. That's just all traffic idling.
 
Were all the trucks you drove HDs, or were some 1500s? I think the 1500 Eco light works differently. I can say with certainty that my old '15 2500 Eco light was 100% tied to MDS. Never had the light without MDS.
My 1500 destroyed the cam and MDS lifter 6 months ago.
When I had the motor rebuilt the MDS was deleted but the ECO light still works.
I noticed about 1 mpg more fuel on highway and city now after 12,000 Kms with no MDS.
 
Just be glad the 6.4 didn't get saddled with Start/Stop... yet

I’d take start/stop as long as it’s implemented well. Most current vehicles that use it are pretty seamless, and as long as the battery is sized to keep the accessories running for the average stop length you can save a good amount of fuel.
 
The engine barely uses any fuel when idling, so it’s probably not worth working around the extra NVH issues at RPMs that low.
my conter point is the primary reason for eTorque is to save the fuel that is used while sitting in traffic, stop lights, stop signs, etc ... so you say "barely uses any fuel when idling" ..... must be enough fuel to warrant a costly system like eTorque ..... i have eTorque on wife's 1500 and it does save gas
 
my conter point is the primary reason for eTorque is to save the fuel that is used while sitting in traffic, stop lights, stop signs, etc ... so you say "barely uses any fuel when idling" ..... must be enough fuel to warrant a costly system like eTorque ..... i have eTorque on wife's 1500 and it does save gas

eTorque is saving gas by shutting the engine off entirely, so it can save a lot. I’m just saying that running on 4 vs 8 cyl while idling likely doesn’t save enough to warrant dealing with the extra vibration and noise running in 4 cyl mode. I’m betting that the vibration is much more noticeable at idle.
 
My Sierra will not idle in 4cyl mode...switches immediately to 8 when at a stop (2015 5.3 without start/stop). I would believe the same for the Ram.
 
Hemi MDS is only designed to engage when cruising under light (low) load conditions. It does not engage at idle. It also doesn't engage at speeds where there is too much aerodynamic drag. Here's a copy of the operation description that has circulated for a long time. The info is about the 5.7L Hemi, specifically. There might be slight differences with the 6.4L, such as oil viscosity requirements.


From AutoInc.online:

How Chrysler's Multiple Displacement System Works

Posted 10/12/2009
By Greg Montero

In 2005, the Multiple Displacement System (MDS) version of the 5.7L HEMI engine was introduced on the Chrysler 300C and Dodge Magnum. This engine can deactivate four of the eight cylinders, and operate as a 4-cylinder engine during periods of low load, improving fuel economy and emissions. The MDS provides the 5.7L engine the fuel economy of a V6 while maintaining the performance of a V8. The fuel economy improvement is estimated to be up to 20 percent, depending on driving conditions. The MDS operation, invisible to the driver, is fully integrated into the fuel injection system.

"In 2005, the Multiple Displacement System (MDS) version of the 5.7L HEMI engine was introduced on the Chrysler 300C and Dodge Magnum. This engine can deactivate four of the eight cylinders, and operate as a 4-cylinder engine during periods of low load, improving fuel economy and emissions.”

When the MDS engine switches to 4-cylinder mode, the powertrain control module (PCM) controls solenoids that manage special "dual mode" lifters, allowing the intake and exhaust valves to remain closed on cylinders 1, 4, 6 and 7. There is one solenoid for each cylinder (two lifters). The PCM also deactivates the fuel injectors for these cylinders when in the 4-cylinder mode.

When the MDS solenoids are in the "off" state (8-cylinder mode), they supply oil pressure of approximately 3 psi to the lifter bores. This lifter oil keeps the bores lubricated and prevents air from entering the system. When the solenoids are activated, oil pressure of 16 psi or greater is supplied to the lifters and the engine enters the 4-cylinder mode.

When the special lifters are supplied high oil pressure by the solenoid, pins inside the lifter move inward. This unlocks the outer portion of the lifter and allows it to move independently from the center portion of the lifter. The camshaft can move the outer portion of the lifter without transferring motion to the inner portion of the lifter.

8-cylinder mode: Solenoids are in the "off" state (de-energized). Minimal oil pressure is applied to the special lifter. They are working normally in this mode.

4-cylinder mode: Solenoids are in the "on" state (energized). High oil pressure is applied to the special lifters and the lifters become inactive and essentially the four pistons are along for the ride. Both valves are closed.

The PCM will activate the 4-cylinder mode when the following enabling conditions are met:

Low engine load

1200 to 3000 rpm

Vehicle speed between 12 mph and 90 mph

Battery voltage from 9 volts to 15 volts

Oil pressure from 15 psi to 147 psi

Oil temperature greater than 120 F

Engine coolant temperature from 158 to 248 F

Ambient temperature from 14 F to 248 F

No throttle position sensor or MDS faults

The PCM deactivates solenoids one cylinder at a time in the firing order. If the system is "on" for long periods of time, such as a long flat road with no stopping, the system will return to the 8-cylinder mode approximately every six minutes to maintain engine temperature. The PCM will also unlock the torque converter before the transition, to minimize the effect on driveability.


The oil temperature sensor used for this system is a two-wire sensor, negative temperature coefficient, like the sensors for engine coolant temperature or intake air temperature (IAT). The PCM uses this input - along with oil pressure, load and rpm - to calculate oil viscosity and flow rate. This information is critical to MDS operation.

It's important to know this engine uses 5W-20 engine oil. If the wrong oil is used, fault code P1521 can be set, and the vehicle may show symptoms of a shudder - similar to a torque converter shudder - when the MDS system is activated and deactivated. Other symptoms may include MDS performance codes or engine misfire codes.
 
My bosses son just bought a 20 with a 6.4, and claims he has bought something that he has plugged into the obd2 port and has deactivated eco/mds. He will be coming into town in the next few weeks. I’ll be checking it out


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After about 2000 miles on my truck I don't notice the MDS like I did at first...still trying to get used to the gear shift dial tho....old habits are how break I guess.
I've had the same experience with mine...much less audible noise when MDS engages since I put in new oil and broke it in a bit
 
My bosses son just bought a 20 with a 6.4, and claims he has bought something that he has plugged into the obd2 port and has deactivated eco/mds. He will be coming into town in the next few weeks. I’ll be checking it out


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Be sure to let us know. I would be interested in that!
 
He is using a DiabloSport DCX Sprint


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I feel like my MDS has also become a lot less intrusive over time. So either I got used to it, or those fat tires added enough drag that 4 cylinders just can’t do it anymore.
 
Can running with the MDS disabled full time cause any engine problems?
 
Can running with the MDS disabled full time cause any engine problems?
I was kinda wondering about that myself. I think the MDS lifters use oil flow into the lifters to cycle on and off, essentially a hydraulic mechanism actuated through solenoids. I would think keeping that oil cycling through by turning on and off would be a good thing... but I am often wrong, ask my wife.
 
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Just bought a used 2020 and thought for a couple days I missed a problem with the truck. I was talking with someone who said there is a software update at the dealer. Anyone aware or had this done?
 
Just bought a used 2020 and thought for a couple days I missed a problem with the truck. I was talking with someone who said there is a software update at the dealer. Anyone aware or had this done?

Are you talking about a software update to delete or modify MDS?
 
My understanding is that it is a software update that reduces the vibration. But not sure just something I heard.
 
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