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Less than thrilled with my 2021 Laramie 2500

JohnandDonna said:
First if you wanted acceleration then you should have gone with the 6.4 Hemi. The diesel is not a hot rod. It's meant for torque. Interesting how most guys that went with the diesel did not really need the diesel. But as they say, its your money. As far as cab size, you are not the only person who has had an issue. Unfortunately the HD's are not true 5 gen, more like 4.5. They stuck the 5 gen dash and consul from the 1500 into the 4 gen HD cab. Kind of a stop gap measure. Good point regarding the auto high beams. We have this same feature on our Pacifica and have had situations that we needed the brights to be on but due to the angle of the moon and its reflected light the brights would not come on. And there is no override. Regarding the sun roof, I always wonder why people settle for what's on a dealer lot. For as much as these trucks cost, why not order and get exactly what you want? The wait is worth it. (I know sometimes there are reasons that a person can not wait).

We have had our 2500 for about a year now and its everything I expected. The only disappointment was the crappy Firestone tires that come on the truck. Again, for the amount of money we pay for these trucks you would think they could put on a decent set of tires (went with a set of Continental Terrain Contact AT's).
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I don’t quite understand why you are getting 13 mpg. That’s concerning. My 2018 w the HO Cummins got about 19 mpg in mixed driving, I got 22 mpg going out west and back 2 years ago.
The 2020 SO Cummins I have now gets a legit 19.5 mpg on mixed driving. I expect it to be about the same 22 mpg on the long hauls.

I like the headlights high beam auto on, I haven’t had an issue. The interior is gorgeous and done well as expected.

I have the long bed and the truck rides much better than expected. I know a Ford EcoBoost is a jack rabbit and quick off the line. This truck seems plenty powerful to me more responsive than my 2018 and the 3.73 gears are noticeably better than the 3.42’s.

I have two issues w mine now. One is the backup led lights on the front mirror don’t appear to be working or I cant find the right setting. Also I can’t figure how to get the rain sensitive wipers working.

This truck is a step up over the 2018 for sure even though I loved that truck. The adaptive cruise works for me as advertised. The lane keep function needs revised it a little weak. I also like the adaptive steering.

Also after 4000 miles I’d give it an A-. It doesn’t hold second place to Ford or Chevy. I’m finally getting used to the 12 inch screen. Im having no trouble switching how I want to use the screen but I have completely changed the app setup at bottom and I’m surprised how easy it is. Once I did that drag and drop my opinion of the big screen functionality moved to a B+. I do like it a lot. My biggest thing is that I’d like to have the camera system up on the bottom full time.
 
I don't currently have a HD truck, but just FYI I've been driving the 5th Gen (which will be coming to the 2500+ trucks soon) for year now and it's light years ahead of Ford and GM. Night and day. Ford and GM can't hold a candle to this interior, design, comfort, space, and functionality. I could write a novel about the ways I prefer this truck over all my prior Nissan, Ford, GM, etc. trucks. It's not even close.

My brother has a Ford with EcoBoost. My father has a new GMC 3500 with a D-max. They are both looking at Rams now that they've ridden in my truck over the past year.
 
Catmechanic said:
I understand it's the dash monitor and not hand calculated, but that's what the OP is basing his opinion on. Not exactly 25 mpg, but not too shabby either. 5900 miles on the truck with no reset of the meter ever. Mostly unloaded, only a few shorter trips with 1500-ish lbs in the bed.

The pedal monster may help with the sluggish feeling you're experiencing.

I'm 6'4" - no sunroof is the only way to roll in these trucks. The trailer brake control doesn't get my knee but the 4wd push button module does occasionally, but just barely.

I'm not cool enough to have the auto-dimming lights.
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I guarantee you do have auto headlights its not an option its standard
 
Catmechanic said:
Auto high-beam dimming is standard? I know the auto on as it darkens is standard, but perhaps I misunderstood what the OP was talking bout.
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Automatic high beam control is only standard on Longhorn and Limited. Outside of that, it's available in some packages like the safety group and Laramie level 1 group.
 
Catmechanic said:
Auto high-beam dimming is standard? I know the auto on as it darkens is standard, but perhaps I misunderstood what the OP was talking bout.
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Auto lights not highbeam thats what he is referring to from what i read. Edit just re read it again he mentions both my bad lol
 
I can give you detailed numbers from my 2020 3500 Laramie Cummins HO per fuel tank since new as I log each fill-up in the "Road Trip" app. I now have just over 7000 km (4349.5 miles) on my truck

The numbers below are over an entire tank and are taken from the pump vs odometer, not from the dash (though it's usually not too far off):

Best I have ever got, 100% highway, no towing, was 12.64 L/100 which is 18.61 U.S. MPG.
Mixed driving average is 14-16 L/100 which is 16.80 U.S. MPG to 14.70 U.S. MPG.
Town/City is 19-20 L/100 which is 12.38 U.S. MPG to 11.76 U.S. MPG.

I baby my throttle, I do not mash it. So if I drove this truck like I want to, those numbers would be WAY down... jack rabbit starts kill mileage. If Diesel gets cheap again, I'll start laying into it but right now it costs most than Gasoline.

Note: It would be damn hard for me to get 25 MPG which is 9.4 L/100 but we'll see how the numbers track once I get over 10k/15k which is around 10,000 miles.

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The acceleration thing is definitely an issue... it sucks. However I didn't buy this to race but I did expect 1000 lb ft of Torque with no trailer would be impressive... it was not. My buddies 2018 GMC 2500 AT4 with the L5P Diesel is a GODDAMN ROCKETSHIP off the line in 4 wheel drive. He can do 0-60 in around 6 seconds or better.. it's disgusting lol. He absolutely loves to drive this home to me constantly... anytime I'm in the truck he'll race pretty much anything from a light or for highway merges. His damn truck can almost beat my MX5 which weights only 2000 lbs! So definitely the torque management on the Cummins is totally different and hugely annoying.

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Pedal Monster does squat to fix this, all it does is lie to the ECU about the throttle position. You can achieve the same thing by just mashing the pedal. You just don't have to push the pedal as far down with the Pedal Monster. There is a whole thread on these where a fellow did passing tests on the highway and it didn't help (torque management likely doing it's stuff). If this ever gets resolved and Pedal Monster helps, I'll be first in line for one.
 
Thorvald said:
I can give you detailed numbers from my 2020 3500 Laramie Cummins HO per fuel tank since new as I log each fill-up in the "Road Trip" app. I now have just over 7000 km (4349.5 miles) on my truck

The numbers below are over an entire tank and are taken from the pump vs odometer, not from the dash (though it's usually not too far off):

Best I have ever got, 100% highway, no towing, was 12.64 L/100 which is 18.61 U.S. MPG.
Mixed driving average is 14-16 L/100 which is 16.80 U.S. MPG to 14.70 U.S. MPG.
Town/City is 19-20 L/100 which is 12.38 U.S. MPG to 11.76 U.S. MPG.

I baby my throttle, I do not mash it. So if I drove this truck like I want to, those numbers would be WAY down... jack rabbit starts kill mileage. If Diesel gets cheap again, I'll start laying into it but right now it costs most than Gasoline.

Note: It would be damn hard for me to get 25 MPG which is 9.4 L/100 but we'll see how the numbers track once I get over 10k/15k which is around 10,000 miles.

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The acceleration thing is definitely an issue... it sucks. However I didn't buy this to race but I did expect 1000 lb ft of Torque with no trailer would be impressive... it was not. My buddies 2018 GMC 2500 AT4 with the L5P Diesel is a GODDAMN ROCKETSHIP off the line in 4 wheel drive. He can do 0-60 in around 6 seconds or better.. it's disgusting lol. He absolutely loves to drive this home to me constantly... anytime I'm in the truck he'll race pretty much anything from a light or for highway merges. His damn truck can almost beat my MX5 which weights only 2000 lbs! So definitely the torque management on the Cummins is totally different and hugely annoying.

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Pedal Monster does squat to fix this, all it does is lie to the ECU about the throttle position. You can achieve the same thing by just mashing the pedal. You just don't have to push the pedal as far down with the Pedal Monster. There is a whole thread on these where a fellow did passing tests on the highway and it didn't help (torque management likely doing it's stuff). If this ever gets resolved and Pedal Monster helps, I'll be first in line for one.
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Boosted launch will help with you getting the gap closer on that lp5, where are you in Canada that diesel is more than gas?
 
Ontario... it's originally my parents fault... lol.

EDIT: Actually according to Gasbuddy Diesel is 5 cents cheaper at the moment! Yay!
 
Thorvald said:
Ontario... it's originally my parents fault... lol.

EDIT: Actually according to Gasbuddy Diesel is 5 cents cheaper at the moment! Yay!
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Until you add in the fuel treatment and DEF costs... LOL
 
Thorvald said:
I can give you detailed numbers from my 2020 3500 Laramie Cummins HO per fuel tank since new as I log each fill-up in the "Road Trip" app. I now have just over 7000 km (4349.5 miles) on my truck

The numbers below are over an entire tank and are taken from the pump vs odometer, not from the dash (though it's usually not too far off):

Best I have ever got, 100% highway, no towing, was 12.64 L/100 which is 18.61 U.S. MPG.
Mixed driving average is 14-16 L/100 which is 16.80 U.S. MPG to 14.70 U.S. MPG.
Town/City is 19-20 L/100 which is 12.38 U.S. MPG to 11.76 U.S. MPG.

I baby my throttle, I do not mash it. So if I drove this truck like I want to, those numbers would be WAY down... jack rabbit starts kill mileage. If Diesel gets cheap again, I'll start laying into it but right now it costs most than Gasoline.

Note: It would be damn hard for me to get 25 MPG which is 9.4 L/100 but we'll see how the numbers track once I get over 10k/15k which is around 10,000 miles.

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The acceleration thing is definitely an issue... it sucks. However I didn't buy this to race but I did expect 1000 lb ft of Torque with no trailer would be impressive... it was not. My buddies 2018 GMC 2500 AT4 with the L5P Diesel is a GODDAMN ROCKETSHIP off the line in 4 wheel drive. He can do 0-60 in around 6 seconds or better.. it's disgusting lol. He absolutely loves to drive this home to me constantly... anytime I'm in the truck he'll race pretty much anything from a light or for highway merges. His damn truck can almost beat my MX5 which weights only 2000 lbs! So definitely the torque management on the Cummins is totally different and hugely annoying.

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Pedal Monster does squat to fix this, all it does is lie to the ECU about the throttle position. You can achieve the same thing by just mashing the pedal. You just don't have to push the pedal as far down with the Pedal Monster. There is a whole thread on these where a fellow did passing tests on the highway and it didn't help (torque management likely doing it's stuff). If this ever gets resolved and Pedal Monster helps, I'll be first in line for one.
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PedalMonster is not made to help with passing acceleration while driving. It changes reaction/acceleration tremendously from a stop as a result of the exact ECU explanation you provided. OP specifically talked about a comparison to a Ford off the line as compared to the Cummins. This resolves that. Mashing your pedal harder does not, as there is still a significant lag.
 
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Catmechanic said:
I understand it's the dash monitor and not hand calculated, but that's what the OP is basing his opinion on. Not exactly 25 mpg, but not too shabby either. 5900 miles on the truck with no reset of the meter ever. Mostly unloaded, only a few shorter trips with 1500-ish lbs in the bed.

The pedal monster may help with the sluggish feeling you're experiencing.

I'm 6'4" - no sunroof is the only way to roll in these trucks. The trailer brake control doesn't get my knee but the 4wd push button module does occasionally, but just barely.

I'm not cool enough to have the auto-dimming lights.
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Can you show the math on the 24MPG and 464 miles?
 
Thorvald said:
My buddies 2018 GMC 2500 AT4 with the L5P Diesel is a GODDAMN ROCKETSHIP off the line in 4 wheel drive. He can do 0-60 in around 6 seconds or better.. it's disgusting lol. He absolutely loves to drive this home to me constantly... anytime I'm in the truck he'll race pretty much anything from a light or for highway merges. His damn truck can almost beat my MX5 which weights only 2000 lbs! So definitely the torque management on the Cummins is totally different and hugely annoying.

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Pedal Monster does squat to fix this, all it does is lie to the ECU about the throttle position. You can achieve the same thing by just mashing the pedal. You just don't have to push the pedal as far down with the Pedal Monster. There is a whole thread on these where a fellow did passing tests on the highway and it didn't help (torque management likely doing it's stuff). If this ever gets resolved and Pedal Monster helps, I'll be first in line for one.
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My father has a 2017 L5P. It is, in fact, a rocket ship. It'll fly. And it gets 20% better fuel economy compared to a Cummins or Powerjoke. The problem is, it's typical GM trash. As of today we're 9 weeks into this year. His truck has spent 6 of those in the shop. First it was the passenger side valvetrain that broke and came apart. Now it's something to do with the fuel system. Keep in mind this truck is 100% stock and has about 80,000 miles on it. He can't drive it because it's always in the shop. VERY typical for GM trucks from my experience over the last 25 years. He is currently shopping Rams because he says when the powertrain warranty expires at 100k that GM truck is gone.

I agree about Pedal Monster and Pedal Commander devices. I'd rather put that money toward a real tune.
 
WXman said:
My father has a 2017 L5P. It is, in fact, a rocket ship. It'll fly. And it gets 20% better fuel economy compared to a Cummins or Powerjoke. The problem is, it's typical GM trash. As of today we're 9 weeks into this year. His truck has spent 6 of those in the shop. First it was the passenger side valvetrain that broke and came apart. Now it's something to do with the fuel system. Keep in mind this truck is 100% stock and has about 80,000 miles on it. He can't drive it because it's always in the shop. VERY typical for GM trucks from my experience over the last 25 years. He is currently shopping Rams because he says when the powertrain warranty expires at 100k that GM truck is gone.

I agree about Pedal Monster and Pedal Commander devices. I'd rather put that money toward a real tune.
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I cant think of gm without thinking of the 30million recalls they did a few years back lol
 
I rode in my buddy's L5P the other day. It's not the new body style, so it doesn't have the 10 speed. Yes, they are super quick, and rev-happy, but that's nothing new. If they have torque management, they are doing an infinitely better job of it. What was impressive to me, though, was the transmission operation. I have to begrudgingly admit it put my Aisin to shame, especially in town, and in traffic, where my Aisin always seems to be tripping over itself. Ram had better roll out their next trans, whatever it will be, ASAP.
 
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