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Is it the arrow?

Buys powerwagon. Proceeds to get stuck on level 1 trail (At best) while on level ground. lmao.
 
By nature, recovery tends to be sketchy.

I cut my teeth wheeling an XJ so i like that channel. That dude has been snatching everything out of the sand with an XJ for years. I’ve seen him pull out trucks, campers etc.

I haven’t done much sand wheeling so I’m not going to make too much fun of the truck owner but I’m guessing he just lacked a little experience. Education is expensive.
 
Rockcrawlerdude said:
By nature, recovery tends to be sketchy.

I cut my teeth wheeling an XJ so i like that channel. That dude has been snatching everything out of the sand with an XJ for years. I’ve seen him pull out trucks, campers etc.

I haven’t done much sand wheeling so I’m not going to make too much fun of the truck owner but I’m guessing he just lacked a little experience. Education is expensive.
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Is there Always an element of danger, yes. But using proper methods and equipment it can be mitigated so the recovery can be done reliably with very little risk.
There was literally a video where one of them got underneath a vehicle in a sinkhole and then started shoveling.
They have a lot of followers because it’s entertaining, but these people see it and think it’s the right way to do recoveries.
 
I will say they preface a lot of what they do as “that’s the way we do it“. I’ve cringed a few times at the way they’ve done things, but I’m sure if we are all honest we each have done things that would be sketchy if someone had a camera on it.
 
el_barto said:
Is there Always an element of danger, yes. But using proper methods and equipment it can be mitigated so the recovery can be done reliably with very little risk.
There was literally a video where one of them got underneath a vehicle in a sinkhole and then started shoveling.
They have a lot of followers because it’s entertaining, but these people see it and think it’s the right way to do recoveries.
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I fully understand where you’re coming from because they portray themselves as recovery professionals but in reality they’re just goofing around. This is where the issue lies.

I am a big proponent of safety and carry tons of gear (now) I didn’t always have the right gear. I have definitely put myself in some sketchy situations and had to do sketchy sh** to get home. But I don’t pretend that the sketchy methods were the right way to do things.

One of the worst scenarios I was in prompted me to buy a lot more gear. We were wheeling in a group of 3 and one XJ snapped a track bar (stock) but we found one in town. Now we just need to get to town. On the way to camp, my other buddy broke his rear driveshaft U joint and had to winch up a trail when his winch broke. So now it’s me and a winchless FWD XJ. Still on the way back to camp, I’m on a narrow pass and the side of the trail gives out and I roll three times into the woods, down the hill off the trail, wrapping vines around my rig. I had 94’ of steel cable and a snatch block but it wasn’t enough.

To right myself, i have to do the unthinkable and connect a snatch strap to the winch line as an extension.

Hell yea it was dangerous but that’s what we had to do at the time.

We still had to pull the plugs and un-hydrolock the motor after it was rubber side down again.

Ordered synthetic winch line, winch rope extension and a bunch of other stuff when I got home.

Disclaimer for those that need a disclaimer: do not try this at home. Steel winch line can whip and cause injury and snatch straps store kinetic energy. A failure here would have been very bad.

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Rockcrawlerdude said:
I fully understand where you’re coming from because they portray themselves as recovery professionals but in reality they’re just goofing around. This is where the issue lies.

I am a big proponent of safety and carry tons of gear (now) I didn’t always have the right gear. I have definitely put myself in some sketchy situations and had to do sketchy sh** to get home. But I don’t pretend that the sketchy methods were the right way to do things.

One of the worst scenarios I was in prompted me to buy a lot more gear. We were wheeling in a group of 3 and one XJ snapped a track bar (stock) but we found one in town. Now we just need to get to town. On the way to camp, my other buddy broke his rear driveshaft U joint and had to winch up a trail when his winch broke. So now it’s me and a winchless FWD XJ. Still on the way back to camp, I’m on a narrow pass and the side of the trail gives out and I roll three times into the woods, down the hill off the trail, wrapping vines around my rig. I had 94’ of steel cable and a snatch block but it wasn’t enough.

To right myself, i have to do the unthinkable and connect a snatch strap to the winch line as an extension.

Hell yea it was dangerous but that’s what we had to do at the time.

We still had to pull the plugs and un-hydrolock the motor after it was rubber side down again.

Ordered synthetic winch line, winch rope extension and a bunch of other stuff when I got home.

Disclaimer for those that need a disclaimer: do not try this at home. Steel winch line can whip and cause injury and snatch straps store kinetic energy. A failure here would have been very bad.

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Gotta get it out!!
 
The old axiom "do as I say not as I do" is often what happens on the trail when not prepared or things get really hairy. I am guilty. I have run a lot in sand. Glamis and sandy areas of the Anza Borrego desert will get you up to speed fast. It is easy to get stuck if you don't know what you are doing. Sometimes even if you do :D

Here is a pic of me yanking a guy out at Glamis. I only had one stretch strap but several non-stretch straps. Hooked together they worked great. A towing company tried to get him out and couldn't. They tried with two lifted Power Strokes hooked up with chains (gads!) and then with a huge truck on 44s (they blew the beads LOL). They stopped by my camp since I had left a note on the truck saying I could get him out. They came back to watch. Single pull and I got him out. In front of me was a sand highway and then a large sand hill I had to climb to get him to the sand highway. The tow company learned something that day. They also charged the guy for just showing up.

Fun times!

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Brewbud said:
The old axiom "do as I say not as I do" is often what happens on the trail when not prepared or things get really hairy. I am guilty. I have run a lot in sand. Glamis and sandy areas of the Anza Borrego desert will get you up to speed fast. It is easy to get stuck if you don't know what you are doing. Sometimes even if you do :D

Here is a pic of me yanking a guy out at Glamis. I only had one stretch strap but several non-stretch straps. Hooked together they worked great. A towing company tried to get him out and couldn't. They tried with two lifted Power Strokes hooked up with chains (gads!) and then with a huge truck on 44s (they blew the beads LOL). They stopped by my camp since I had left a note on the truck saying I could get him out. They came back to watch. Single pull and I got him out. In front of me was a sand highway and then a large sand hill I had to climb to get him to the sand highway. The tow company learned something that day. They also charged the guy for just showing up.

Fun times!

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So out of curiosity, does your beast hop on the sand? Do you do anything to stop the hop? What do you air down to?

I ask because I have a 19 Big horn and it hops like mad in the snow and I am trying to figure out how to fix that / minimize it

Also, love the pic!
 
I haven't had my 2020 out at Glamis yet. I haven't had a problem tooling around the desert though. I didn't have much hopping in my 07 with the Carli setup. If you didn't ease into the throttle it would hop a bit at the start of a hill. I would usually run 16psi in the back and 18 psi in the front but I sometimes would go lower.
 
Brewbud said:
I haven't had my 2020 out at Glamis yet. I haven't had a problem tooling around the desert though. I didn't have much hopping in my 07 with the Carli setup. If you didn't ease into the throttle it would hop a bit at the start of a hill. I would usually run 16psi in the back and 18 psi in the front but I sometimes would go lower.
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Thanks for the reply! I went from a 2010 1500 to a 2019 2500 and I will admit this is a whole new best. I do love the truck, but the hopping on the back when she is unloaded is rather crazy. I think airing down is going to be the way I go!
 
Wpg_Ram said:
Thanks for the reply! I went from a 2010 1500 to a 2019 2500 and I will admit this is a whole new best. I do love the truck, but the hopping on the back when she is unloaded is rather crazy. I think airing down is going to be the way I go!
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I also use to run with two spare tires mounted in the rear of the truck. A little weight in the back helps.
 
Hopping in sand will happen with any truck.
It did it in my 01 F250.
Didnt do it too bad in my K5.
Even had it happen in a big all wheel drive multi axle 20 ton military truck.
 
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